I measured how long the most popular Linux distribution s package manager take to install small and large packages (the ack(1p) source code search Perl script and qemu, respectively). Where required, my measurements include metadata updates such as transferring an up-to-date package list. For me, requiring a metadata update is the more common case, particularly on live systems or within Docker containers. All measurements were taken on an Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz running Docker 1.13.1 on Linux 4.19, backed by a Samsung 970 Pro NVMe drive boasting many hundreds of MB/s write performance. The machine is located in Z rich and connected to the Internet with a 1 Gigabit fiber connection, so the expected top download speed is 115 MB/s. See Appendix C for details on the measurement method and command outputs.

Measurements Keep in mind that these are one-time measurements. They should be indicative of actual performance, but your experience may vary.

ack (small Perl program)

distribution	package manager	data	wall-clock time	rate
Fedora	dnf	114 MB	33s	3.4 MB/s
Debian	apt	16 MB	10s	1.6 MB/s
NixOS	Nix	15 MB	5s	3.0 MB/s
Arch Linux	pacman	6.5 MB	3s	2.1 MB/s
Alpine	apk	10 MB	1s	10.0 MB/s

qemu (large C program)

distribution	package manager	data	wall-clock time	rate
Fedora	dnf	226 MB	4m37s	1.2 MB/s
Debian	apt	224 MB	1m35s	2.3 MB/s
Arch Linux	pacman	142 MB	44s	3.2 MB/s
NixOS	Nix	180 MB	34s	5.2 MB/s
Alpine	apk	26 MB	2.4s	10.8 MB/s

(Looking for older measurements? See Appendix B (2019). The difference between the slowest and fastest package managers is 30x! How can Alpine s apk and Arch Linux s pacman be an order of magnitude faster than the rest? They are doing a lot less than the others, and more efficiently, too.

Pain point: too much metadata For example, Fedora transfers a lot more data than others because its main package list is 60 MB (compressed!) alone. Compare that with Alpine s 734 KB APKINDEX.tar.gz. Of course the extra metadata which Fedora provides helps some use case, otherwise they hopefully would have removed it altogether. The amount of metadata seems excessive for the use case of installing a single package, which I consider the main use-case of an interactive package manager. I expect any modern Linux distribution to only transfer absolutely required data to complete my task.

Pain point: no concurrency Because they need to sequence executing arbitrary package maintainer-provided code (hooks and triggers), all tested package managers need to install packages sequentially (one after the other) instead of concurrently (all at the same time). In my blog post Can we do without hooks and triggers? , I outline that hooks and triggers are not strictly necessary to build a working Linux distribution.

Thought experiment: further speed-ups Strictly speaking, the only required feature of a package manager is to make available the package contents so that the package can be used: a program can be started, a kernel module can be loaded, etc. By only implementing what s needed for this feature, and nothing more, a package manager could likely beat apk s performance. It could, for example:

• skip archive extraction by mounting file system images (like AppImage or snappy)
• use compression which is light on CPU, as networks are fast (like apk)
• skip fsync when it is safe to do so, i.e.:
  • package installations don t modify system state
  • atomic package installation (e.g. an append-only package store)
  • automatically clean up the package store after crashes

Current landscape Here s a table outlining how the various package managers listed on Wikipedia s list of software package management systems fare:

name	scope	package file format	hooks/triggers
AppImage	apps	image: ISO9660, SquashFS	no
snappy	apps	image: SquashFS	yes: hooks
FlatPak	apps	archive: OSTree	no
0install	apps	archive: tar.bz2	no
nix, guix	distro	archive: nar. bz2,xz	activation script
dpkg	distro	archive: tar. gz,xz,bz2 in ar(1)	yes
rpm	distro	archive: cpio. bz2,lz,xz	scriptlets
pacman	distro	archive: tar.xz	install
slackware	distro	archive: tar. gz,xz	yes: doinst.sh
apk	distro	archive: tar.gz	yes: .post-install
Entropy	distro	archive: tar.bz2	yes
ipkg, opkg	distro	archive: tar ,.gz	yes

Conclusion As per the current landscape, there is no distribution-scoped package manager which uses images and leaves out hooks and triggers, not even in smaller Linux distributions. I think that space is really interesting, as it uses a minimal design to achieve significant real-world speed-ups. I have explored this idea in much more detail, and am happy to talk more about it in my post Introducing the distri research linux distribution".

Appendix A: related work There are a couple of recent developments going into the same direction:

• Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems describes mounting app bundles
• Android Q uses ext4 loopback images
• The Haiku Operating System s package manager Haiku Depot uses images

Appendix C: measurement details (2020)

ack You can expand each of these:

Fedora s dnf takes almost 33 seconds to fetch and unpack 114 MB.

% docker run -t -i fedora /bin/bash
[root@62d3cae2e2f9 /]# time dnf install -y ack
Fedora 32 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64     1.9 kB/s   2.5 kB     00:01
Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64                   6.8 MB/s   4.9 MB     00:00
Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 - Updates         5.6 MB/s   3.7 MB     00:00
Fedora 32 - x86_64 - Updates                 9.9 MB/s    23 MB     00:02
Fedora 32 - x86_64                            39 MB/s    70 MB     00:01
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real	0m32.898s
user	0m25.121s
sys	0m1.408s

NixOS s Nix takes a little over 5s to fetch and unpack 15 MB.

% docker run -t -i nixos/nix
39e9186422ba:/# time sh -c 'nix-channel --update && nix-env -iA nixpkgs.ack'
unpacking channels...
created 1 symlinks in user environment
installing 'perl5.32.0-ack-3.3.1'
these paths will be fetched (15.55 MiB download, 85.51 MiB unpacked):
  /nix/store/34l8jdg76kmwl1nbbq84r2gka0kw6rc8-perl5.32.0-ack-3.3.1-man
  /nix/store/9df65igwjmf2wbw0gbrrgair6piqjgmi-glibc-2.31
  /nix/store/9fd4pjaxpjyyxvvmxy43y392l7yvcwy1-perl5.32.0-File-Next-1.18
  /nix/store/czc3c1apx55s37qx4vadqhn3fhikchxi-libunistring-0.9.10
  /nix/store/dj6n505iqrk7srn96a27jfp3i0zgwa1l-acl-2.2.53
  /nix/store/ifayp0kvijq0n4x0bv51iqrb0yzyz77g-perl-5.32.0
  /nix/store/w9wc0d31p4z93cbgxijws03j5s2c4gyf-coreutils-8.31
  /nix/store/xim9l8hym4iga6d4azam4m0k0p1nw2rm-libidn2-2.3.0
  /nix/store/y7i47qjmf10i1ngpnsavv88zjagypycd-attr-2.4.48
  /nix/store/z45mp61h51ksxz28gds5110rf3wmqpdc-perl5.32.0-ack-3.3.1
copying path '/nix/store/34l8jdg76kmwl1nbbq84r2gka0kw6rc8-perl5.32.0-ack-3.3.1-man' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/czc3c1apx55s37qx4vadqhn3fhikchxi-libunistring-0.9.10' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/9fd4pjaxpjyyxvvmxy43y392l7yvcwy1-perl5.32.0-File-Next-1.18' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/xim9l8hym4iga6d4azam4m0k0p1nw2rm-libidn2-2.3.0' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/9df65igwjmf2wbw0gbrrgair6piqjgmi-glibc-2.31' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/y7i47qjmf10i1ngpnsavv88zjagypycd-attr-2.4.48' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/dj6n505iqrk7srn96a27jfp3i0zgwa1l-acl-2.2.53' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/w9wc0d31p4z93cbgxijws03j5s2c4gyf-coreutils-8.31' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/ifayp0kvijq0n4x0bv51iqrb0yzyz77g-perl-5.32.0' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/z45mp61h51ksxz28gds5110rf3wmqpdc-perl5.32.0-ack-3.3.1' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
building '/nix/store/m0rl62grplq7w7k3zqhlcz2hs99y332l-user-environment.drv'...
created 49 symlinks in user environment
real	0m 5.60s
user	0m 3.21s
sys	0m 1.66s

Debian s apt takes almost 10 seconds to fetch and unpack 16 MB.

% docker run -t -i debian:sid
root@1996bb94a2d1:/# time (apt update && apt install -y ack-grep)
Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid InRelease [146 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages [8400 kB]
Fetched 8546 kB in 1s (8088 kB/s)
[ ]
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  ack libfile-next-perl libgdbm-compat4 libgdbm6 libperl5.30 netbase perl perl-modules-5.30
0 upgraded, 8 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded.
Need to get 7341 kB of archives.
After this operation, 46.7 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[ ]
real	0m9.544s
user	0m2.839s
sys	0m0.775s

Arch Linux s pacman takes a little under 3s to fetch and unpack 6.5 MB.

% docker run -t -i archlinux/base
[root@9f6672688a64 /]# time (pacman -Sy && pacman -S --noconfirm ack)
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core            130.8 KiB  1090 KiB/s 00:00
 extra          1655.8 KiB  3.48 MiB/s 00:00
 community         5.2 MiB  6.11 MiB/s 00:01
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
Packages (2) perl-file-next-1.18-2  ack-3.4.0-1
Total Download Size:   0.07 MiB
Total Installed Size:  0.19 MiB
[ ]
real	0m2.936s
user	0m0.375s
sys	0m0.160s

Alpine s apk takes a little over 1 second to fetch and unpack 10 MB.

% docker run -t -i alpine
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.12/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
(1/4) Installing libbz2 (1.0.8-r1)
(2/4) Installing perl (5.30.3-r0)
(3/4) Installing perl-file-next (1.18-r0)
(4/4) Installing ack (3.3.1-r0)
Executing busybox-1.31.1-r16.trigger
OK: 43 MiB in 18 packages
real	0m 1.24s
user	0m 0.40s
sys	0m 0.15s

qemu You can expand each of these:

Fedora s dnf takes over 4 minutes to fetch and unpack 226 MB.

% docker run -t -i fedora /bin/bash
[root@6a52ecfc3afa /]# time dnf install -y qemu
Fedora 32 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64     3.1 kB/s   2.5 kB     00:00
Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64                   6.3 MB/s   4.9 MB     00:00
Fedora Modular 32 - x86_64 - Updates         6.0 MB/s   3.7 MB     00:00
Fedora 32 - x86_64 - Updates                 334 kB/s    23 MB     01:10
Fedora 32 - x86_64                            33 MB/s    70 MB     00:02
[ ]
Total download size: 181 M
Downloading Packages:
[ ]
real	4m37.652s
user	0m38.239s
sys	0m6.321s

NixOS s Nix takes almost 34s to fetch and unpack 180 MB.

% docker run -t -i nixos/nix
83971cf79f7e:/# time sh -c 'nix-channel --update && nix-env -iA nixpkgs.qemu'
unpacking channels...
created 1 symlinks in user environment
installing 'qemu-5.1.0'
these paths will be fetched (180.70 MiB download, 1146.92 MiB unpacked):
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real	0m 33.64s
user	0m 16.96s
sys	0m 3.05s

Debian s apt takes over 95 seconds to fetch and unpack 224 MB.

% docker run -t -i debian:sid
root@b7cc25a927ab:/# time (apt update && apt install -y qemu-system-x86)
Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid InRelease [146 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages [8400 kB]
Fetched 8546 kB in 1s (5998 kB/s)
[ ]
Fetched 216 MB in 43s (5006 kB/s)
[ ]
real	1m25.375s
user	0m29.163s
sys	0m12.835s

Arch Linux s pacman takes almost 44s to fetch and unpack 142 MB.

% docker run -t -i archlinux/base
[root@58c78bda08e8 /]# time (pacman -Sy && pacman -S --noconfirm qemu)
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core          130.8 KiB  1055 KiB/s 00:00
 extra        1655.8 KiB  3.70 MiB/s 00:00
 community       5.2 MiB  7.89 MiB/s 00:01
[ ]
Total Download Size:   135.46 MiB
Total Installed Size:  661.05 MiB
[ ]
real	0m43.901s
user	0m4.980s
sys	0m2.615s

Alpine s apk takes only about 2.4 seconds to fetch and unpack 26 MB.

% docker run -t -i alpine
/ # time apk add qemu-system-x86_64
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
[ ]
OK: 78 MiB in 95 packages
real	0m 2.43s
user	0m 0.46s
sys	0m 0.09s

Appendix B: measurement details (2019)

ack You can expand each of these:

Fedora s dnf takes almost 30 seconds to fetch and unpack 107 MB.

% docker run -t -i fedora /bin/bash
[root@722e6df10258 /]# time dnf install -y ack
Fedora Modular 30 - x86_64            4.4 MB/s   2.7 MB     00:00
Fedora Modular 30 - x86_64 - Updates  3.7 MB/s   2.4 MB     00:00
Fedora 30 - x86_64 - Updates           17 MB/s    19 MB     00:01
Fedora 30 - x86_64                     31 MB/s    70 MB     00:02
[ ]
Install  44 Packages
Total download size: 13 M
Installed size: 42 M
[ ]
real	0m29.498s
user	0m22.954s
sys	0m1.085s

NixOS s Nix takes 14s to fetch and unpack 15 MB.

% docker run -t -i nixos/nix
39e9186422ba:/# time sh -c 'nix-channel --update && nix-env -i perl5.28.2-ack-2.28'
unpacking channels...
created 2 symlinks in user environment
installing 'perl5.28.2-ack-2.28'
these paths will be fetched (14.91 MiB download, 80.83 MiB unpacked):
  /nix/store/57iv2vch31v8plcjrk97lcw1zbwb2n9r-perl-5.28.2
  /nix/store/89gi8cbp8l5sf0m8pgynp2mh1c6pk1gk-attr-2.4.48
  /nix/store/gkrpl3k6s43fkg71n0269yq3p1f0al88-perl5.28.2-ack-2.28-man
  /nix/store/iykxb0bmfjmi7s53kfg6pjbfpd8jmza6-glibc-2.27
  /nix/store/k8lhqzpaaymshchz8ky3z4653h4kln9d-coreutils-8.31
  /nix/store/svgkibi7105pm151prywndsgvmc4qvzs-acl-2.2.53
  /nix/store/x4knf14z1p0ci72gl314i7vza93iy7yc-perl5.28.2-File-Next-1.16
  /nix/store/zfj7ria2kwqzqj9dh91kj9kwsynxdfk0-perl5.28.2-ack-2.28
copying path '/nix/store/gkrpl3k6s43fkg71n0269yq3p1f0al88-perl5.28.2-ack-2.28-man' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/iykxb0bmfjmi7s53kfg6pjbfpd8jmza6-glibc-2.27' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/x4knf14z1p0ci72gl314i7vza93iy7yc-perl5.28.2-File-Next-1.16' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/89gi8cbp8l5sf0m8pgynp2mh1c6pk1gk-attr-2.4.48' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/svgkibi7105pm151prywndsgvmc4qvzs-acl-2.2.53' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/k8lhqzpaaymshchz8ky3z4653h4kln9d-coreutils-8.31' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/57iv2vch31v8plcjrk97lcw1zbwb2n9r-perl-5.28.2' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
copying path '/nix/store/zfj7ria2kwqzqj9dh91kj9kwsynxdfk0-perl5.28.2-ack-2.28' from 'https://cache.nixos.org'...
building '/nix/store/q3243sjg91x1m8ipl0sj5gjzpnbgxrqw-user-environment.drv'...
created 56 symlinks in user environment
real	0m 14.02s
user	0m 8.83s
sys	0m 2.69s

Debian s apt takes almost 10 seconds to fetch and unpack 16 MB.

% docker run -t -i debian:sid
root@b7cc25a927ab:/# time (apt update && apt install -y ack-grep)
Get:1 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian sid InRelease [233 kB]
Get:2 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages [8270 kB]
Fetched 8502 kB in 2s (4764 kB/s)
[ ]
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  ack ack-grep libfile-next-perl libgdbm-compat4 libgdbm5 libperl5.26 netbase perl perl-modules-5.26
The following packages will be upgraded:
  perl-base
1 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 0 to remove and 60 not upgraded.
Need to get 8238 kB of archives.
After this operation, 42.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[ ]
real	0m9.096s
user	0m2.616s
sys	0m0.441s

Arch Linux s pacman takes a little over 3s to fetch and unpack 6.5 MB.

% docker run -t -i archlinux/base
[root@9604e4ae2367 /]# time (pacman -Sy && pacman -S --noconfirm ack)
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core            132.2 KiB  1033K/s 00:00
 extra          1629.6 KiB  2.95M/s 00:01
 community         4.9 MiB  5.75M/s 00:01
[ ]
Total Download Size:   0.07 MiB
Total Installed Size:  0.19 MiB
[ ]
real	0m3.354s
user	0m0.224s
sys	0m0.049s

Alpine s apk takes only about 1 second to fetch and unpack 10 MB.

% docker run -t -i alpine
/ # time apk add ack
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
(1/4) Installing perl-file-next (1.16-r0)
(2/4) Installing libbz2 (1.0.6-r7)
(3/4) Installing perl (5.28.2-r1)
(4/4) Installing ack (3.0.0-r0)
Executing busybox-1.30.1-r2.trigger
OK: 44 MiB in 18 packages
real	0m 0.96s
user	0m 0.25s
sys	0m 0.07s

qemu You can expand each of these:

Fedora s dnf takes over a minute to fetch and unpack 266 MB.

% docker run -t -i fedora /bin/bash
[root@722e6df10258 /]# time dnf install -y qemu
Fedora Modular 30 - x86_64            3.1 MB/s   2.7 MB     00:00
Fedora Modular 30 - x86_64 - Updates  2.7 MB/s   2.4 MB     00:00
Fedora 30 - x86_64 - Updates           20 MB/s    19 MB     00:00
Fedora 30 - x86_64                     31 MB/s    70 MB     00:02
[ ]
Install  262 Packages
Upgrade    4 Packages
Total download size: 172 M
[ ]
real	1m7.877s
user	0m44.237s
sys	0m3.258s

NixOS s Nix takes 38s to fetch and unpack 262 MB.

% docker run -t -i nixos/nix
39e9186422ba:/# time sh -c 'nix-channel --update && nix-env -i qemu-4.0.0'
unpacking channels...
created 2 symlinks in user environment
installing 'qemu-4.0.0'
these paths will be fetched (262.18 MiB download, 1364.54 MiB unpacked):
[ ]
real	0m 38.49s
user	0m 26.52s
sys	0m 4.43s

Debian s apt takes 51 seconds to fetch and unpack 159 MB.

% docker run -t -i debian:sid
root@b7cc25a927ab:/# time (apt update && apt install -y qemu-system-x86)
Get:1 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian sid InRelease [149 kB]
Get:2 http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages [8426 kB]
Fetched 8574 kB in 1s (6716 kB/s)
[ ]
Fetched 151 MB in 2s (64.6 MB/s)
[ ]
real	0m51.583s
user	0m15.671s
sys	0m3.732s

Arch Linux s pacman takes 1m2s to fetch and unpack 124 MB.

% docker run -t -i archlinux/base
[root@9604e4ae2367 /]# time (pacman -Sy && pacman -S --noconfirm qemu)
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core       132.2 KiB   751K/s 00:00
 extra     1629.6 KiB  3.04M/s 00:01
 community    4.9 MiB  6.16M/s 00:01
[ ]
Total Download Size:   123.20 MiB
Total Installed Size:  587.84 MiB
[ ]
real	1m2.475s
user	0m9.272s
sys	0m2.458s

Alpine s apk takes only about 2.4 seconds to fetch and unpack 26 MB.

% docker run -t -i alpine
/ # time apk add qemu-system-x86_64
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.10/community/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
[ ]
OK: 78 MiB in 95 packages
real	0m 2.43s
user	0m 0.46s
sys	0m 0.09s

I installed Debian 9.0 Stretch on my Lenovo X201 laptop today. Installation went smooth, as usual. GnuPG/SSH with an OpenPGP smartcard I use a YubiKey NEO does not work out of the box with GNOME though. I wrote about how to fix OpenPGP smartcards under GNOME with Debian 8.0 Jessie earlier, and I thought I d do a similar blog post for Debian 9.0 Stretch . The situation is slightly different than before (e.g., GnuPG works better but SSH doesn t) so there is some progress. May I hope that Debian 10.0 Buster gets this right? Pointers to which package in Debian should have a bug report tracking this issue is welcome (or a pointer to an existing bug report). After first login, I attempt to use gpg --card-status to check if GnuPG can talk to the smartcard.

jas@latte:~$ gpg --card-status
gpg: error getting version from 'scdaemon': No SmartCard daemon
gpg: OpenPGP card not available: No SmartCard daemon
jas@latte:~$ 

This fails because scdaemon is not installed. Isn t a smartcard common enough so that this should be installed by default on a GNOME Desktop Debian installation? Anyway, install it as follows.

root@latte:~# apt-get install scdaemon

Then try again.

jas@latte:~$ gpg --card-status
gpg: selecting openpgp failed: No such device
gpg: OpenPGP card not available: No such device
jas@latte:~$ 

I believe scdaemon here attempts to use its internal CCID implementation, and I do not know why it does not work. At this point I often recall that want pcscd installed since I work with smartcards in general.

root@latte:~# apt-get install pcscd

Now gpg --card-status works!

jas@latte:~$ gpg --card-status
Reader ...........: Yubico Yubikey NEO CCID 00 00
Application ID ...: D2760001240102000006017403230000
Version ..........: 2.0
Manufacturer .....: Yubico
Serial number ....: 01740323
Name of cardholder: Simon Josefsson
Language prefs ...: sv
Sex ..............: male
URL of public key : https://josefsson.org/54265e8c.txt
Login data .......: jas
Signature PIN ....: not forced
Key attributes ...: rsa2048 rsa2048 rsa2048
Max. PIN lengths .: 127 127 127
PIN retry counter : 3 3 3
Signature counter : 8358
Signature key ....: 9941 5CE1 905D 0E55 A9F8  8026 860B 7FBB 32F8 119D
      created ....: 2014-06-22 19:19:04
Encryption key....: DC9F 9B7D 8831 692A A852  D95B 9535 162A 78EC D86B
      created ....: 2014-06-22 19:19:20
Authentication key: 2E08 856F 4B22 2148 A40A  3E45 AF66 08D7 36BA 8F9B
      created ....: 2014-06-22 19:19:41
General key info..: sub  rsa2048/860B7FBB32F8119D 2014-06-22 Simon Josefsson 
sec#  rsa3744/0664A76954265E8C  created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04
ssb>  rsa2048/860B7FBB32F8119D  created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04
                                card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb>  rsa2048/9535162A78ECD86B  created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04
                                card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb>  rsa2048/AF6608D736BA8F9B  created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04
                                card-no: 0006 01740323
jas@latte:~$ 

Using the key will not work though.

jas@latte:~$ echo foo gpg -a --sign
gpg: no default secret key: No secret key
gpg: signing failed: No secret key
jas@latte:~$ 

This is because the public key and the secret key stub are not available.

jas@latte:~$ gpg --list-keys
jas@latte:~$ gpg --list-secret-keys
jas@latte:~$ 

You need to import the key for this to work. I have some vague memory that gpg --card-status was supposed to do this, but I may be wrong.

jas@latte:~$ gpg --recv-keys 9AA9BDB11BB1B99A21285A330664A76954265E8C
gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': No such file or directory
gpg: connecting dirmngr at '/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.dirmngr' failed: No such file or directory
gpg: keyserver receive failed: No dirmngr
jas@latte:~$ 

Surprisingly, dirmngr is also not shipped by default so it has to be installed manually.

root@latte:~# apt-get install dirmngr

Below I proceed to trust the clouds to find my key.

jas@latte:~$ gpg --recv-keys 9AA9BDB11BB1B99A21285A330664A76954265E8C
gpg: key 0664A76954265E8C: public key "Simon Josefsson " imported
gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:               imported: 1
jas@latte:~$ 

Now the public key and the secret key stub are available locally.

jas@latte:~$ gpg --list-keys
/home/jas/.gnupg/pubring.kbx
----------------------------
pub   rsa3744 2014-06-22 [SC] [expires: 2017-09-04]
      9AA9BDB11BB1B99A21285A330664A76954265E8C
uid           [ unknown] Simon Josefsson 
uid           [ unknown] Simon Josefsson 
sub   rsa2048 2014-06-22 [S] [expires: 2017-09-04]
sub   rsa2048 2014-06-22 [E] [expires: 2017-09-04]
sub   rsa2048 2014-06-22 [A] [expires: 2017-09-04]
jas@latte:~$ gpg --list-secret-keys
/home/jas/.gnupg/pubring.kbx
----------------------------
sec#  rsa3744 2014-06-22 [SC] [expires: 2017-09-04]
      9AA9BDB11BB1B99A21285A330664A76954265E8C
uid           [ unknown] Simon Josefsson 
uid           [ unknown] Simon Josefsson 
ssb>  rsa2048 2014-06-22 [S] [expires: 2017-09-04]
ssb>  rsa2048 2014-06-22 [E] [expires: 2017-09-04]
ssb>  rsa2048 2014-06-22 [A] [expires: 2017-09-04]
jas@latte:~$ 

I am now able to sign data with the smartcard, yay!

jas@latte:~$ echo foo gpg -a --sign
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
owGbwMvMwMHYxl2/2+iH4FzG01xJDJFu3+XT8vO5OhmNWRgYORhkxRRZZjrGPJwQ
yxe68keDGkwxKxNIJQMXpwBMRJGd/a98NMPJQt6jaoyO9yUVlmS7s7qm+Kjwr53G
uq9wQ+z+/kOdk9w4Q39+SMvc+mEV72kuH9WaW9bVqj80jN77hUbfTn5mffu2/aVL
h/IneTfaOQaukHij/P8A0//Phg/maWbONUjjySrl+a3tP8ll6/oeCd8g/aeTlH79
i0naanjW4bjv9wnvGuN+LPHLmhUc2zvZdyK3xttN/roHvsdX3f53yTAxeInvXZmd
x7W0/hVPX33Y4nT877T/ak4L057IBSavaPVcf4yhglVI8XuGgaTP666Wuslbliy4
5W5eLasbd33Xd/W0hTINznuz0kJ4r1bLHZW9fvjLduMPq5rS2co9tvW8nX9rhZ/D
zycu/QA=
=I8rt
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
jas@latte:~$ 

Encrypting to myself will not work smoothly though.

jas@latte:~$ echo foo gpg -a --encrypt -r simon@josefsson.org
gpg: 9535162A78ECD86B: There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user
sub  rsa2048/9535162A78ECD86B 2014-06-22 Simon Josefsson 
 Primary key fingerprint: 9AA9 BDB1 1BB1 B99A 2128  5A33 0664 A769 5426 5E8C
      Subkey fingerprint: DC9F 9B7D 8831 692A A852  D95B 9535 162A 78EC D86B
It is NOT certain that the key belongs to the person named
in the user ID.  If you *really* know what you are doing,
you may answer the next question with yes.
Use this key anyway? (y/N) 
gpg: signal Interrupt caught ... exiting
jas@latte:~$ 

The reason is that the newly imported key has unknown trust settings. I update the trust settings on my key to fix this, and encrypting now works without a prompt.

jas@latte:~$ gpg --edit-key 9AA9BDB11BB1B99A21285A330664A76954265E8C
gpg (GnuPG) 2.1.18; Copyright (C) 2017 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
Secret key is available.
pub  rsa3744/0664A76954265E8C
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: SC  
     trust: unknown       validity: unknown
ssb  rsa2048/860B7FBB32F8119D
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: S   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb  rsa2048/9535162A78ECD86B
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: E   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb  rsa2048/AF6608D736BA8F9B
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: A   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
[ unknown] (1). Simon Josefsson 
[ unknown] (2)  Simon Josefsson 
gpg> trust
pub  rsa3744/0664A76954265E8C
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: SC  
     trust: unknown       validity: unknown
ssb  rsa2048/860B7FBB32F8119D
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: S   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb  rsa2048/9535162A78ECD86B
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: E   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb  rsa2048/AF6608D736BA8F9B
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: A   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
[ unknown] (1). Simon Josefsson 
[ unknown] (2)  Simon Josefsson 
Please decide how far you trust this user to correctly verify other users' keys
(by looking at passports, checking fingerprints from different sources, etc.)
  1 = I don't know or won't say
  2 = I do NOT trust
  3 = I trust marginally
  4 = I trust fully
  5 = I trust ultimately
  m = back to the main menu
Your decision? 5
Do you really want to set this key to ultimate trust? (y/N) y
pub  rsa3744/0664A76954265E8C
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: SC  
     trust: ultimate      validity: unknown
ssb  rsa2048/860B7FBB32F8119D
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: S   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb  rsa2048/9535162A78ECD86B
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: E   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
ssb  rsa2048/AF6608D736BA8F9B
     created: 2014-06-22  expires: 2017-09-04  usage: A   
     card-no: 0006 01740323
[ unknown] (1). Simon Josefsson 
[ unknown] (2)  Simon Josefsson 
Please note that the shown key validity is not necessarily correct
unless you restart the program.
gpg> quit
jas@latte:~$ echo foo gpg -a --encrypt -r simon@josefsson.org
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
hQEMA5U1Fip47NhrAQgArTvAykj/YRhWVuXb6nzeEigtlvKFSmGHmbNkJgF5+r1/
/hWENR72wsb1L0ROaLIjM3iIwNmyBURMiG+xV8ZE03VNbJdORW+S0fO6Ck4FaIj8
iL2/CXyp1obq1xCeYjdPf2nrz/P2Evu69s1K2/0i9y2KOK+0+u9fEGdAge8Gup6y
PWFDFkNj2YiVa383BqJ+kV51tfquw+T4y5MfVWBoHlhm46GgwjIxXiI+uBa655IM
EgwrONcZTbAWSV4/ShhR9ug9AzGIJgpu9x8k2i+yKcBsgAh/+d8v7joUaPRZlGIr
kim217hpA3/VLIFxTTkkm/BO1KWBlblxvVaL3RZDDNI5AVp0SASswqBqT3W5ew+K
nKdQ6UTMhEFe8xddsLjkI9+AzHfiuDCDxnxNgI1haI6obp9eeouGXUKG
=s6kt
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
jas@latte:~$ 

So everything is fine, isn t it? Alas, not quite.

jas@latte:~$ ssh-add -L
The agent has no identities.
jas@latte:~$ 

Tracking this down, I now realize that GNOME s keyring is used for SSH but GnuPG s gpg-agent is used for GnuPG. GnuPG uses the environment variable GPG_AGENT_INFO to connect to an agent, and SSH uses the SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable to find its agent. The filenames used below leak the knowledge that gpg-agent is used for GnuPG but GNOME keyring is used for SSH.

jas@latte:~$ echo $GPG_AGENT_INFO 
/run/user/1000/gnupg/S.gpg-agent:0:1
jas@latte:~$ echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK 
/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
jas@latte:~$ 

Here the same recipe as in my previous blog post works. This time GNOME keyring only has to be disabled for SSH. Disabling GNOME keyring is not sufficient, you also need gpg-agent to start with enable-ssh-support. The simplest way to achieve that is to add a line in ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf as follows. When you login, the script /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent will set the environment variables GPG_AGENT_INFO and SSH_AUTH_SOCK. The latter variable is only set if enable-ssh-support is mentioned in the gpg-agent configuration.

jas@latte:~$ mkdir ~/.config/autostart
jas@latte:~$ cp /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
jas@latte:~$ echo 'Hidden=true' >> ~/.config/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop 
jas@latte:~$ echo enable-ssh-support >> ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf 
jas@latte:~$ 

Log out from GNOME and log in again. Now you should see ssh-add -L working.

jas@latte:~$ ssh-add -L
ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQDFP+UOTZJ+OXydpmbKmdGOVoJJz8se7lMs139T+TNLryk3EEWF+GqbB4VgzxzrGjwAMSjeQkAMb7Sbn+VpbJf1JDPFBHoYJQmg6CX4kFRaGZT6DHbYjgia59WkdkEYTtB7KPkbFWleo/RZT2u3f8eTedrP7dhSX0azN0lDuu/wBrwedzSV+AiPr10rQaCTp1V8sKbhz5ryOXHQW0Gcps6JraRzMW+ooKFX3lPq0pZa7qL9F6sE4sDFvtOdbRJoZS1b88aZrENGx8KSrcMzARq9UBn1plsEG4/3BRv/BgHHaF+d97by52R0VVyIXpLlkdp1Uk4D9cQptgaH4UAyI1vr cardno:000601740323
jas@latte:~$ 

Topics for further discussion or research include 1) whether scdaemon, dirmngr and/or pcscd should be pre-installed on Debian desktop systems; 2) whether gpg --card-status should attempt to import the public key and secret key stub automatically; 3) why GNOME keyring is used by default for SSH rather than gpg-agent; 4) whether GNOME keyring should support smartcards, or if it is better to always use gpg-agent for GnuPG/SSH, 5) if something could/should be done to automatically infer the trust setting for a secret key. Enjoy!

Spring in the prairie is a bit of an odd thing this year. Here and there, near ditches and creeks, a short, soft blanket of lush green grass covers the ground. A few feet away, patches of green are visible between the brown shoots of last year s grass. Some trees are already turning green, purple, red, and white, while others stand still and brown, stubbornly insisting that spring is not here yet. To look at the thermometer may not be much guide either; two days after the temperature was nearly 90, we woke to see a dusting of snow on the ground. It s been dry, terribly try in Kansas. Grass next to a gravel driveway or road often has a chalkish layer of dust on it, kicked up by passing cars or even a stiff wind. The earth thirsts. It is somehow fitting to celebrate Easter, that spring holiday, in the midst of the dry ground, to remember that water is not the only thing that can quench thirst. Easter morning began sleepily, as we got up early to head to a sunrise service. It was in a pasture just outside a small Kansas town, and we gathered there at about 6:15, wearing only light jackets against the breeze. A fire was burning, and there was water on hand to quickly douse any grass that caught first that wasn t supposed to and it was occasionally used. I was doing the prelude for the service, playing on my penny whistle. I enjoyed being able to do that, and was glad that the wind was calm enough that it didn t interfere too much with the music. We sang some hymns, listened to some Bible readings, and just stood in silence, listening to the crackle of the fire, some country dogs playing, and watching the sky to the east transform as the sun came up. Then it was on to church for breakfast, and a break before the Easter service the pipe organ ringing, piano playing with it, and deep trombone and full sanctuary of people singing our 4-part Easter hymns celebrating the day. Laura had the idea of pinning carnations onto the cross, and we got to watch everyone come up and add theirs. Jacob and Oliver enjoyed the sunrise service. They decided they would keep a watchful eye on the first and the dogs, they enjoyed muffins at breakfast and playing in the church after that. But if you are 4 or 7, what is Easter without an Easter egg hunt? And they got in several. Laura and I hid some eggs around the yard. Jacob asked me to use a radio to tell them when the eggs were ready. Here they are, bounding out the door to begin the hunt! And, of course, if you are 4 or 7 and have a geek for a dad, you will naturally think to bring radios with you to the next hunt. To tell your brother what you re finding, of course. It was a good weekend, and in fact, Jacob even volunteered to put up a wet floor sign after he spilled some water: On the last car ride of the day, Jacob decided he would write a story about his Easter. He decided he would publish a big book, and be a famous author and make other children happy. Oliver, of course, decided he needed an Easter story also. We couldn t very well publish a book in the car, but I did manage to use my phone to capture their stories. It s been a long and busy week, but there is much to be joyful about, even when tired.

I am transitioning my GPG key from an old 1024-bit DSA key to a new 4096-bit RSA key. The old key will continue to be valid for some time but I prefer all new correspondance to be encrypted with the new key. I will be making all signatures going forward with the new key. I have followed the excellent tutorial from Daniel Kahn Gillmor which also explains why this migration is needed. The only step that I did not execute is issuing a new certification for keys I have signed in the past. I did not find any search engine to tell me which key I have signed. Here is the signed transition statement (I have stolen it from Zack): For easier access, I have also published it in text format. You can check it with: To avoid signing/encrypting with the old key who share the same email addresses than the new one, I have saved it, removed it from the keyring and added it again. The new key is now first in both the secret and the public keyrings and will be used whenever the appropriate email address is requested. I now need to gather some signatures for the new key. If this is appropriate for you, please sign the new key if you signed the old one.

Kevin Mark commented:

"I see--Redarded Terrorist--ok. So this Gareth fellow is making a comparison with smarter, more intelligent terrorist that was the IRA. Which kind of says that everyone should be far less afraid of the current crop of folks and yet the media, as it does so well, inflates their dangerousness for the sake of ... well, beats me. Oh, maybe it help Tony get a job ;-) If the IRA came to the US, what color (or is that colour) code would their activities get on our terror scale as opposed to these Tardorrists?"

How about Emerald Green? More seriously, I think it's entirely fair to suggest we should fear this lot less than the often-USian-funded Provisional IRA, or local groups like animal liberationists. Those didn't just attack the big cities - it was everywhere, an attempt at terrorism. I lived about three miles outside Milton Keynes, then a fairly small midlands city, which was firebombed by both those groups. Ultimately, it didn't work. Most people weren't terrified. We carried on regardless. The government may be over-hyping this threat to ride in a new load of "expensive and ineffective" Security Theatre measures, like ID cards. Some media is sceptical, but the Murdoch-run media is mostly complicit, which is hardly surprising given the historic relationship. We should not let these "tardorrists" change our way of life, yet that is exactly what our spineless politicians seem to be doing. Let's continue as before: beware, but be happy. Update: niq comments:

"Recommended reading: Terry Pratchett "Interesting Times". Written before "9/11" and set in the wrong part of the world, but nevertheless beautifully relevant."

Santa Claus arriving early.


My tree. I bet that if i start looking around i will find final Etch, Duke Nukem Forever and Chinese Democracy CD's somewhere. =)