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12 April 2026

Colin Watson: Free software activity in March 2026

My Debian contributions this month were all sponsored by Freexian. You can also support my work directly via Liberapay or GitHub Sponsors. OpenSSH I fixed CVE-2026-3497 in unstable, thanks to a fix in Ubuntu by Marc Deslauriers. Relatedly, I applied an Ubuntu patch by Athos Ribeiro to not default to weak GSS-API exchange algorithms. I m looking forward to being able to split out GSS-API key exchange support in OpenSSH once Ubuntu 26.04 LTS has been released! This stuff will still be my problem, but at least it won t be in packages that nearly everyone has installed. Python packaging New upstream versions: I packaged pybind11-stubgen, needed for new upstream versions of pytango. Tests of reproducible builds revealed that it didn t generate imports in a stable order; I contributed a fix for that upstream. I worked with the security team to release DSA-6161-1 in multipart, fixing CVE-2026-28356 (upstream discussion). (Most of the work for this was in February, but the vulnerability was still embargoed when I published my last monthly update.) In trixie-backports, I updated pytest-django to 4.12.0. I fixed a number of packages to support building with pyo3 0.28: Other build/test failures: Rust packaging New upstream versions: Other bits and pieces I upgraded tango to 10.1.2, and yubihsm-shell to 2.7.2. Code reviews

6 April 2026

Thorsten Alteholz: My Debian Activities in March 2026

Debian LTS/ELTS This was my hundred-forty-first month that I did some work for the Debian LTS initiative, started by Raphael Hertzog at Freexian. During my allocated time I uploaded or worked on: I also worked on the check-advisories script and proposed a fix for cases where issues would be assigned to the coordinator instead of the person who forgot doing something. I also did some work for a kernel update and packages snapd and ldx on security-master and attended the monthly LTS/ELTS meeting. Last but not least I started to work on gst-plugins-bad1.0 Debian Printing This month I uploaded a new upstream versions: Several packages take care of group lpadmin in their maintainer scripts. With the upload of version 260.1-1 of systemd there is now a central package (systemd systemd-standalone-sysusers systemd-sysusers) that takes care of this. Other dependencies like adduser can now be dropped. This work is generously funded by Freexian! Debian Lomiri This month I continued to work on unifying packaging on Debian and Ubuntu. This makes it easier to work on those packages independent of the used platform. I am also able to upload Debian packages to the corresponding Ubuntu PPA now. A small bug had to be fixed in the python script to allow the initial configuration in Launchpad. This work is generously funded by Fre(i)e Software GmbH! Debian Astro This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: I also uploaded lots of indi-drivers (libplayerone, libsbig, libricohcamerasdk, indi-asi, indi-eqmod, indi-fishcamp, indi-inovaplx, indi-pentax, indi-playerone, indi-sbig, indi-mi, libahp-xc, indi-aagcloudwatcher, indi-aok, indi-apogee, libapogee3, indi-nightscape, libasi, libinovasdk, libmicam, indi-avalon, indi-beefocus, indi-bresserexos2, indi-dsi, indi-ffmv, indi-fli, indi-gige, info-gphoto, indi-gpsd, indi-gpsnmea, indi-limesdr, indi-maxdomeii, indi-mgen, indi-rtklib, indi-shelyak, indi-starbook, indi-starbookten, indi-talon6, indi-weewx-json, indi-webcam, indi-orion-ssg3, indi-armadillo-playtypus ) to experimental to make progress with the indi-transition. No problems with those drivers appeared and the next step would be the upload of indi version 2.x to unstable. I hope this will happen soon, as new drivers are already waiting in the pipeline. There have been also four packages, that migrated to the official indi package and are no longer needed as 3rdparty drivers (indi-astrolink4, indi-astromechfoc, indi-dreamfocuser, indi-spectracyber). While working on these packages, I thought about testing them. Unfortunately I don t have enough hardware to really check out every package, so I can upload most of them only as is. In case anybody is interested in a better testing coverage and me being able to provide upstream patches, I would be very glad about hardware donations. Debian IoT This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: Debian Mobcom This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: misc This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: I also sponsored the upload of Matomo. Thanks a lot to William for preparing the package.

13 March 2026

Jonathan Dowland: debian swirl font glyph

When I wrote about the redhat logo in a shell prompt, a commenter said it would be nice to achieve something similar for Debian, and suggested " " (U+1F365 FISH CAKE WITH SWIRL DESIGN) which, in some renderings, looks to have a red swirl on top. This is not bad, but I thought we could do better. On Apple systems, the character " " (U+F8FF) displays as the corporate Apple logo. That particular unicode code point is reserved: systems are free to use it for something private and internal, but other systems won't use it for the same thing. So if an Apple user tries to send a document with that character in it to someone else, they won't see the Apple unless they are also viewing it on an Apple computer. (Some folks use it for Klingon). Here's a font that maps the Debian swirl to the same code point. It's covered by the Debian logo license terms. Nerd Font maps the Debian swirl logo to codepoints e77d, f306, ebc5 and f08da (all of which are also in the Private Use Area). I've gone ahead and mapped it to all those points but the last one (simply because I couldn't find it in FontForge.) Note that, unless your recipients have this font, or the Nerd Font, or similar set up, they aren't going to see the swirl. But enjoy it for private use. Getting your system to actually use the font is, I'm afraid, left as an exercise for the reader (but feel free to leave comments) Thanks to mirabilos for chatting to me about this back in 2019. It's taken me that long to get this blog post out of draft!

6 March 2026

Thorsten Alteholz: My Debian Activities in February 2026

Debian LTS/ELTS This was my hundred-fortieth month that I did some work for the Debian LTS initiative, started by Raphael Hertzog at Freexian. During my allocated time I uploaded or worked on: Some CVEs could be marked as not-affected for one or all LTS/ELTS-releases. I also worked on package evolution-data-server and attended the monthly LTS/ELTS meeting. Debian Printing This month I uploaded a new upstream versions: This work is generously funded by Freexian! Debian Lomiri This month I continued to worked on unifying packaging on Debian and Ubuntu. This makes it easier to work on those packages independent of the used platform. This work is generously funded by Fre(i)e Software GmbH! Debian Astro This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: Debian IoT This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: Unfortunately development of openoverlayrouter finally stopped, so I had to remove this package from the archive. Debian Mobcom This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: misc This month I uploaded a new upstream version or a bugfix version of: I also sponsored the upload of some Matomo dependencies. Thanks a lot to William for preparing the packages

1 February 2026

Russ Allbery: Review: Paladin's Faith

Review: Paladin's Faith, by T. Kingfisher
Series: The Saint of Steel #4
Publisher: Red Wombat Studio
Copyright: 2023
ISBN: 1-61450-614-0
Format: Kindle
Pages: 515
Paladin's Faith is the fourth book in T. Kingfisher's loosely connected series of fantasy novels about the berserker former paladins of the Saint of Steel. You could read this as a standalone, but there are numerous (spoilery) references to the previous books in the series. Marguerite, who was central to the plot of the first book in the series, Paladin's Grace, is a spy with a problem. An internal power struggle in the Red Sail, the organization that she's been working for, has left her a target. She has a plan for how to break their power sufficiently that they will hopefully leave her alone, but to pull it off she's going to need help. As the story opens, she is working to acquire that help in a very Marguerite sort of way: breaking into the office of Bishop Beartongue of the Temple of the White Rat. The Red Sail, the powerful merchant organization Marguerite worked for, makes their money in the salt trade. Marguerite has learned that someone invented a cheap and reproducible way to extract salt from sea water, thus making the salt trade irrelevant. The Red Sail wants to ensure that invention never sees the light of day, and has forced the artificer into hiding. Marguerite doesn't know where they are, but she knows where she can find out: the Court of Smoke, where the artificer has a patron.
Having grown up in Anuket City, Marguerite was familiar with many clockwork creations, not to mention all the ways that they could go horribly wrong. (Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, it was an explosion. The hundredth time, it ran amok and stabbed innocent bystanders, and the artificer would be left standing there saying, "But I had to put blades on it, or how would it rake the leaves?" while the gutters filled up with blood.)
All Marguerite needs to put her plan into motion is some bodyguards so that she's not constantly distracted and anxious about being assassinated. Readers of this series will be unsurprised to learn that the bodyguards she asks Beartongue for are paladins, including a large broody male one with serious self-esteem problems. This is, like the other books in this series, a slow-burn romance with infuriating communication problems and a male protagonist who would do well to seek out a sack of hammers as a mentor. However, it has two things going for it that most books in this series do not: a long and complex plot to which the romance takes a back seat, and Marguerite, who is not particularly interested in playing along with the expected romance developments. There are also two main paladins in this story, not just one, and the other is one of the two female paladins of the Saint of Steel and rather more entertaining than Shane. I generally like court intrigue stories, which is what fills most of this book. Marguerite is an experienced operative, so the reader gets some solid competence porn, and the paladins are fish out of water but are also unexpectedly dangerous, which adds both comedy and satisfying table-turning. I thoroughly enjoyed the maneuvering and the culture clashes. Marguerite is very good at what she does, knows it, and is entirely uninterested in other people's opinions about that, which short-circuits a lot of Shane's most annoying behavior and keeps the story from devolving into mopey angst like some of the books in this series have done. The end of this book takes the plot in a different direction that adds significantly to the world-building, but also has a (thankfully short) depths of despair segment that I endured rather than enjoyed. I am not really in the mood for bleak hopelessness in my fiction at the moment, even if the reader is fairly sure it will be temporary. But apart from that, I thoroughly enjoyed this book from beginning to end. When we finally meet the artificer, they are an absolute delight in that way that Kingfisher is so good at. The whole story is infused with the sense of determined and competent people refusing to stop trying to fix problems. As usual, the romance was not for me and I think the book would have been better without it, but it's less central to the plot and therefore annoyed me less than any of the books in this series so far. My one major complaint is the lack of gnoles, but we get some new and intriguing world-building to make up for it, along with a setup for a fifth book that I am now extremely curious about. By this point in the series, you probably know if you like the general formula. Compared to the previous book, Paladin's Hope, I thought Paladin's Faith was much stronger and more interesting, but it's clearly of the same type. If, like me, you like the plots but not the romance, the plot here is more substantial. You will have to decide if that makes up for a romance in the typical T. Kingfisher configuration. Personally, I enjoyed this quite a bit, except for the short bleak part, and I'm back to eagerly awaiting the next book in the series. Rating: 8 out of 10

31 December 2025

Petter Reinholdtsen: Some of my 2025 free software activities

I guess it is about time I posted a new summary of the free software and open culture activites and projects I have been involved in the last year. The days have been so packed the last year that I have failed with my intention to post at least one blog post per month, so this summary became rather long. I am sorry about this. This year was the year I got tired of the lack of new releases of the multimedia related libraries published via Xiph, and I decided to wrap up the current state and make the releases myself. In a burst of activity early this year, I collected and tested patches, coordinated with other developers and finally made new tarballs and release announcement for theora, and new tarball releases for liboggz, kate and fishsound. This upstreamed several patches accumulated in Debian and other Linux distributions for the last 15 years or so. To change the world and the future, it is important to start with the kids, and one such avenue of change have been created by the current president of FSF Europe, Matthias Kirschner. He wrote a book for children, Ada & Zangemann, and I have been involved in its translation framework for the entire year. The source code has been transformed to Docbook and I have been conducting and coordinating translations into Norwegian Bokm l and Nynorsk, as well as preparing paper editions of the book and an animation movie with Norwegian voices. The Bokm l edition is very close to ready, and will be available early in 2026, and the movie release will follow shortly after this. I intend announce this on my blog and elsewhere when this happen. Please get in touch if you want to help spread the word about this book in Norwegian. I hope we can get the author to Norway when making the Norwegian releases. This year I continued a push for the system I made a few years ago to improve hardware dongle handling on Linux. The Isenkram system use hardware mapping information provided by relevant packages using the AppStream system to propose which Linux distribution packages to install on a given machine to support dongles like cameras, finger print readers, smart card readers, LEGO controllers, ECC memory and other hardware. I have followed up on the list of packages providing such mapping, either to get it into Debian or to upstream the necessary metadata. I am not sure if we are at a point where package maintainers on their own add such information to their packages, but there are Debian lintian reports suggesting it and I have send patches to all packages I am aware of that should include such mappings. Most of the patches are included in Debian now, only 27 was left the last time I checked. As part of my involvement with Debian, I continued my push to get all orphaned packages without a version control repository migrated to git. I am not sure how many packages I went through, but it was in the range of 200-300 packages. In addition to this I updated, sponsored, pushed maintainers for updates upstreamed patches for and fixed RC issues with battery-stats, bs1770gain, isenkram, libonvif, mfiutil, opensnitch, simplescreenrecorder, vlc-plugin-bittorrent and wakeonlan. I've also followed up LEGO related packages, dahdi support for Asterisk, llama.cpp and whisper.cpp in particular for the AMD GPU I was donated by AMD, as well as tried yet again to convince the upstream developers of the photogrammetric workstion e-foto to get their program into a state that could be included in Debian. As I do not buy into the story that it is great to expose oneself to the whims of and priorities of commercial entities to have access to cultural expressions like films and music, I still maintain a huge collection of movies. For this to work well, I have ended up as part of the people maintaining lsdvd upstream and wrapped up a new release fixing several crash bugs caused by DVDs with intentionally broken metadata, and introduced code to list a DVD ID in the lsdvd output. Related to this, I have also worked some add-ons for my main video and music player, and took over upstream maintenance of the Invidious add-on, which sadly stopped working for non-authenticated users when web scrapers made it impossible for Invidious installations to provide a open API, as well as contributed to the NRK and projector control add-ons. As part of my involvement in the Norwegian archiving community and standardisation work, we organised a Noark 5 workshop this spring discussing how to decide what to keep and what to delete in digital archives. We finally managed to apply for Noark 5 certification for the free software archive API Nikita, as well as worked to test and improve the performance of Nikita together with people on my day job at the university. Manufacturing using Free Software is still a focus for me, and I have continued my involved with the LinuxCNC community, organising a developer gathering this summer with the help and sponsoring from the initial start in 2023 from NUUG Foundation and sponsoring from Debian and Redpill-Linpro. We plan to repeat the event also in 2026, but this time NUUG Foundation have told us they do not want a role, so we have found another friendly organisation to handle the money. A popular machine controller with LinuxCNC is the MESA set of electronics, which is centred around a FPGA which now can be programmed using only Free Software. We discussed during this summers gathering how hard it would be to compile the current FPGA source using a Free Software tool chain, and I started looking into this, locating tools to transform the VHDL source into something the Yosys tool chain can handle. Still lot to do there, and I hope to get further next year. An important part of Free Software manufacturing is the ability to design parts and create programs that can be passed to machines making parts, also known as CAD/CAM. The most prominent project for this is FreeCAD, and I have been both pushing to get opencamlib integrated with it in Debian as well as fixing bugs in the handling of Fanuc controlled machines, do make it easier to generate instructions for machines I have access to. I expect to also continue this also next year. This year the UN conference Internet Governance Forum (IGF) was held in Norway, and I tried my best to get a stand for the Norwegian Unix Users Group (NUUG) there. Sadly the effort failed, due to lack of interest with the NUUG Board, but I was happy to see several members at least attend some of the activities related to IGF. Sadly to participate at IGF one need to hand over quite private information, so I decided not to participate in any of the closed forum events myself. Related to NUUG I have been a member of the election board proposing board member candidates to the general assembly, and been part of the program committee of the "Big Tech m vekk" (Big Tech must go away) festival organised by Attac in concert with NUUG and EFN. I've also assisted the Norwegian open TV channel Frikanalen with access to their machines located in a machine room at the university. Related to the University, I have become involved in a small team of students working to build and program robots for the Robocup@Home competition. For 2026 we also plan to use the new features of FreeCAD to make parts for the open hardware robot arm OpenArm. This is also the group that will handle the money for the LinuxCNC gathering in 2026. Also related to the university I was looking into the Linux security auditing system Falco earlier this year, making improvements to the detection rules. This activity is on hold at the moment, and do not expect to continue with this in 2026. I will most likely have to cut down a bit on my free software and open culture activities going forward, as NUUG Foundation, who have funded one day a week for such activities for several years no, sadly have decided they do not want to continue doing this. I am very grateful for their contributions over the years, both with freeing up time for me and supporting several events and projects where I have been involved or taken the initiative on. Now they are reorganizing with more focus on paperwork and applications. As usual, if you use Bitcoin and want to show your support of my activities, please send Bitcoin donations to my address 15oWEoG9dUPovwmUL9KWAnYRtNJEkP1u1b.

21 December 2025

Russell Coker: Links December 2025

Russ Allbery wrote an interesting review of Politics on the Edge, by Rory Stewart who sems like one of the few conservative politicians I could respect and possibly even like [1]. It has some good insights about the problems with our current political environment. The NY Times has an amusing article about the attempt to sell the solution to the CIA s encrypted artwork [2]. Wired has an interesting article about computer face recognition systems failing on people with facial disabilities or scars [3]. This is a major accessibility issue potentially violating disability legislation and a demonstration of the problems of fully automating systems when there should be a human in the loop. The October 2025 report from the Debian Reproducible Builds team is particularly interesting [4]. kpcyrd forwarded a fascinating tidbit regarding so-called ninja and samurai build ordering, that uses data structures in which the pointer values returned from malloc are used to determine some order of execution LOL Louis Rossmann made an insightful youtube video about the moral case for piracy of software and media [5]. Louis Rossman made an insightful video about the way that Hyundai is circumventing Right to Repair laws to make repairs needlessly expensive [6]. Korean cars aren t much good nowadays. Their prices keep increasing and the quality doesn t. Brian Krebs wrote an interesting article about how Google is taking legal action against SMS phishing crime groups [7]. We need more of this! Josh Griffiths wrote an informative blog post about how YouTube is awful [8]. I really should investigate Peertube. Louis Rossman made an informative YouTube video about Right to Repair and the US military, if even the US military is getting ripped off by this it s a bigger problem than most people realise [9]. He also asks the rhetorical question of whether politicians are bought or whether it s a subscription model . Brian Krebs wrote an informative article about the US plans to ban TP Link devices, OpenWRT seems like a good option [10]. Brian Krebs wrote an informative article about free streaming Android TV boxes that act as hidden residential VPN proxies [11]. Also the free streaming violates copyright law. Bruce Schneier and Nathan E. Sanders wrote an interesting article about ways that AI is being used to strengthen democracy [12]. Cory Doctorow wrote an insightful article about the incentives for making shitty goods and services and why we need legislation to protect consumers [13]. Linus Tech Tips has an interesting interview with Linus Torvalds [14]. Interesting video about the Kowloon Walled City [15]. It would be nice if a government deliberately created a hive city like that, the only example I know of is the Alaskan town in a single building. David Brin wrote an insightful set of 3 blog posts about a Democratic American deal that could improve the situation there [16].

15 December 2025

Russ Allbery: Review: Brigands & Breadknives

Review: Brigands & Breadknives, by Travis Baldree
Series: Legends & Lattes #3
Publisher: Tor
Copyright: 2025
ISBN: 1-250-33489-6
Format: Kindle
Pages: 325
Brigands & Breadknives is a secondary-world sword-and-sorcery fantasy and a sequel to both Legends & Lattes and Bookshops & Bonedust. It takes place shortly after Legends & Lattes chronologically, but Fern, the protagonist, was introduced in the Bookshops & Bonedust prequel. You may have noticed I didn't describe this as cozy fantasy. That is intentional. When we left Fern at the end of Bookshops & Bonedust, the rattkin was running a bookshop in the town of Murk. As Brigands & Breadknives opens, Fern is moving, for complicated and hard-to-describe personal reasons, to Thune where Viv has her coffee shop. Her plan is to open a new bookstore next door to Legends and Lattes. This is exactly the sort of plot one might expect from this series, and the first few chapters feel like yet another version of the first two novels. Then Fern makes an impulsive and rather inexplicable (even to herself) decision and the plot goes delightfully sideways. Brigands & Breadknives is not, as Baldree puts it in the afterword, a book about fantasy small-business ownership as the answer to all of life's woes. It is, instead, a sword and sorcery story about a possibly immortal elven bounty hunter, her utterly baffling goblin prisoner, and a rattkin bookseller who becomes their unexpected travel companion for reasons she can't explain. It's a story about a mid-life crisis in a world and with supporting characters that I can only describe as inspired by a T. Kingfisher novel. Baldree is not Ursula Vernon, of course. This book does not contain paladins or a romance, possibly to the relief of some readers. It's slower, a bit more introspective, and doesn't have as sharp of edges or the casual eerie unsettlingness. But there is a religious order that worships a tentacled space horror for entirely unexpected reasons, pompous and oleaginous talking swords with verbose opinions about everything, a mischievously chaotic orange-haired goblin who quickly became one of my favorite fantasy characters and then kept getting better, and a whole lot of heart. You may see why Kingfisher was my first thought for a comparison point. Unlike Baldree's previous novels, there is a lot of combat and injury. I think some people will still describe this book as cozy, and I'm not going to argue too strongly because the conflicts are a bit lighter than the sort of rape and murder one would see in a Mercedes Lackey novel. But to me this felt like sword and sorcery in a Dungeons and Dragons universe made more interesting by letting the world-building go feral and a little bit sarcastic. Most of the book is spent traveling, there are a lot of random encounters that build into a connected plot, and some scenes (particularly the defense of the forest village) felt like they could have sold to the Swords and Sorceress anthology series. Also, this was really good! I liked both Legends & Lattes and Bookshops & Bonedust, maybe a bit more than the prevailing opinion among reviewers since the anachronisms never bothered me, but I wasn't sure whether to dive directly into this book because I was expecting more of the same. This is not more of the same. I think it's clearly better writing and world-building than either of the previous books. It helps that Fern is the protagonist; as much as I like Viv, I think Fern is a more interesting character, and I am glad she got a book of her own. Baldree takes a big risk on the emotional arc of this book. Fern starts the story in a bad state and makes some decisions to kick off the plot that are difficult to defend. She beats herself up for those decisions for most of the book, deservedly, and parts of that emotional turmoil are difficult to read. Baldree resists the urge to smooth everything over and instead provides a rather raw sense of depression, avoidance, and social anxiety that some readers are going to have to brace themselves for. I respect the decision to not write the easy series book people probably expected, but I'm not sure Fern's emotional arc quite worked. Baldree is hinting at something that's hard to describe logically, and I'm not sure he was able to draw a clear enough map of Fern's thought process for the reader to understand her catharsis. The "follow your passion" self-help mindset has formed a gravitational singularity in the vicinity of this book's theme, it takes some skillful piloting to avoid being sucked into its event horizon, and I don't think Baldree quite managed to escape it. He made a valiant attempt, though, and it created a far more interesting book than one about safer emotions. I wanted more of an emotional payoff than I got, but the journey, even with the moments of guilt and anxiety, was so worth it. The world-building is funnier and more interesting than the previous books of the series, and the supporting cast is fantastic. If you bailed on the series but you like sword and sorcery and T. Kingfisher novels, consider returning. You do probably need to read Bookshops & Bonedust first, if you haven't already, since it helps to know the start of Fern's story. Recommended, and shortcomings aside, much better than I had expected. Content notes: Bloody sword fights, major injury, some very raw emotions about letting down friends and destroying friendships. Rating: 8 out of 10

9 November 2025

Colin Watson: Free software activity in October 2025

About 95% of my Debian contributions this month were sponsored by Freexian. You can also support my work directly via Liberapay or GitHub Sponsors. OpenSSH OpenSSH upstream released 10.1p1 this month, so I upgraded to that. In the process, I reverted a Debian patch that changed IP quality-of-service defaults, which made sense at the time but has since been reworked upstream anyway, so it makes sense to find out whether we still have similar problems. So far I haven t heard anything bad in this area. 10.1p1 caused a regression in the ssh-agent-filter package s tests, which I bisected and chased up with upstream. 10.1p1 also had a few other user-visible regressions (#1117574, #1117594, #1117638, #1117720); I upgraded to 10.2p1 which fixed some of these, and contributed some upstream debugging help to clear up the rest. While I was there, I also fixed ssh-session-cleanup: fails due to wrong $ssh_session_pattern in our packaging. Finally, I got all this into trixie-backports, which I intend to keep up to date throughout the forky development cycle. Python packaging For some time, ansible-core has had occasional autopkgtest failures that usually go away before anyone has a chance to look into them properly. I ran into these via openssh recently and decided to track them down. It turns out that they only happened when the libpython3.13-stdlib package had different versions in testing and unstable, because an integration test setup script made a change that would be reverted if that package was ever upgraded in the testbed, and one of the integration tests accidentally failed to disable system apt sources comprehensively enough while testing the behaviour of the ansible.builtin.apt module. I fixed this in Debian and contributed the relevant part upstream. We ve started working on enabling Python 3.14 as a supported version in Debian. I fixed or helped to fix a number of packages for this: I upgraded these packages to new upstream versions: I packaged python-blockbuster and python-pytokens, needed as new dependencies of various other packages. Santiago Vila filed a batch of bugs about packages that fail to build when using the nocheck build profile, and I fixed several of these (generally just a matter of adjusting build-dependencies): I helped out with the scikit-learn 1.7 transition: I fixed or helped to fix several other build/test failures: I fixed some other bugs: I investigated a python-py build failure, which turned out to have been fixed in Python 3.13.9. I adopted zope.hookable and zope.location for the Python team. Following an IRC question, I ported linux-gpib-user to pybuild-plugin-pyproject, and added tests to make sure the resulting binary package layout is correct. Rust packaging Another Pydantic upgrade meant I had to upgrade a corresponding stack of Rust packages to new upstream versions: I also upgraded rust-archery and rust-rpds. Other bits and pieces I fixed a few bugs in other packages I maintain: I investigated a malware report against tini, which I think we can prove to be a false positive (at least under the reasonable assumption that there isn t malware hiding in libgcc or glibc). Yay for reproducible builds! I noticed and fixed a small UI deficiency in debbugs, making the checkboxes under Misc options on package pages easier to hit. This is merged but we haven t yet deployed it. I notced and fixed a typo in the Being kind to porters section of the Debian Developer s Reference. Code reviews

5 November 2025

Reproducible Builds: Reproducible Builds in October 2025

Welcome to the October 2025 report from the Reproducible Builds project! Welcome to the very latest report from the Reproducible Builds project. Our monthly reports outline what we ve been up to over the past month, and highlight items of news from elsewhere in the increasingly-important area of software supply-chain security. As ever, if you are interested in contributing to the Reproducible Builds project, please see the Contribute page on our website. In this report:

  1. Farewell from the Reproducible Builds Summit 2025
  2. Google s Play Store breaks reproducible builds for Signal
  3. Mailing list updates
  4. The Original Sin of Computing that no one can fix
  5. Reproducible Builds at the Transparency.dev summit
  6. Supply Chain Security for Go
  7. Three new academic papers published
  8. Distribution work
  9. Upstream patches
  10. Website updates
  11. Tool development

Farewell from the Reproducible Builds Summit 2025 Thank you to everyone who joined us at the Reproducible Builds Summit in Vienna, Austria! We were thrilled to host the eighth edition of this exciting event, following the success of previous summits in various iconic locations around the world, including Venice, Marrakesh, Paris, Berlin, Hamburg and Athens. During this event, participants had the opportunity to engage in discussions, establish connections and exchange ideas to drive progress in this vital field. Our aim was to create an inclusive space that fosters collaboration, innovation and problem-solving. The agenda of the three main days is available online however, some working sessions may still lack notes at time of publication. One tangible outcome of the summit is that Johannes Starosta finished their rebuilderd tutorial, which is now available online and Johannes is actively seeking feedback.

Google s Play Store breaks reproducible builds for Signal On the issue tracker for the popular Signal messenger app, developer Greyson Parrelli reports that updates to the Google Play store have, in effect, broken reproducible builds:
The most recent issues have to do with changes to the APKs that are made by the Play Store. Specifically, they add some attributes to some .xml files around languages are resources, which is not unexpected because of how the whole bundle system works. This is trickier to resolve, because unlike current expected differences (like signing information), we can t just exclude a whole file from the comparison. We have to take a more nuanced look at the diff. I ve been hesitant to do that because it ll complicate our currently-very-readable comparison script, but I don t think there s any other reasonable option here.
The full thread with additional context is available on GitHub.

Mailing list updates On our mailing list this month:
  • kpcyrd forwarded a fascinating tidbit regarding so-called ninja and samurai build ordering, that uses data structures in which the pointer values returned from malloc are used to determine some order of execution.
  • Arnout Engelen, Justin Cappos, Ludovic Court s and kpcyrd continued a conversation started in September regarding the Minimum Elements for a Software Bill of Materials . (Full thread)
  • Felix Moessbauer of Siemens posted to the list reporting that he had recently stumbled upon a couple of Debian source packages on the snapshot mirrors that are listed multiple times (same name and version), but each time with a different checksum . The thread, which Felix titled, Debian: what precisely identifies a source package is about precisely that what can be axiomatically relied upon by consumers of the Debian archives, as well as indicating an issue where we can t exactly say which packages were used during build time (even when having the .buildinfo files).
  • Luca DiMaio posted to the list announcing the release of xfsprogs 6.17.0 which specifically includes a commit that implements the functionality to populate a newly created XFS filesystem directly from an existing directory structure which makes it easier to create populated filesystems without having to mount them [and thus is] particularly useful for reproducible builds . Luca asked the list how they might contribute to the docs of the System images page.

The Original Sin of Computing that no one can fix Popular YouTuber @laurewired published a video this month with an engaging take on the Trusting Trust problem. Titled The Original Sin of Computing that no one can fix, the video touches on David A. Wheeler s Diverse Double-Compiling dissertation. GNU developer Janneke Nieuwenhuizen followed-up with an email (additionally sent to our mailing list) as well, underscoring that GNU Mes s current solution [to this issue] uses ancient softwares in its bootstrap path, such as gcc-2.95.3 and glibc-2.2.5 . (According to Colby Russell, the GNU Mes bootstrapping sequence is shown at 18m54s in the video.)

Reproducible Builds at the Transparency.dev summit Holger Levsen gave a talk at this year s Transparency.dev summit in Gothenburg, Sweden, outlining the achievements of the Reproducible Builds project in the last 12 years, covering both upstream developments as well as some distribution-specific details. As mentioned on the talk s page, Holger s presentation concluded with an outlook into the future and an invitation to collaborate to bring transparency logs into Reproducible Builds projects . The slides of the talk are available, although a video has yet to be released. Nevertheless, as a result of the discussions at Transparency.dev there is a new page on the Debian wiki with the aim of describing a potential transparency log setup for Debian.

Supply Chain Security for Go Andrew Ayer has setup a new service at sourcespotter.com that aims to monitor the supply chain security for Go releases. It consists of four separate trackers:
  1. A tool to verify that the Go Module Mirror and Checksum Database is behaving honestly and has not presented inconsistent information to clients.
  2. A module monitor that records every module version served by the Go Module Mirror and Checksum Database, allowing you to monitor for unexpected versions of your modules.
  3. A tool to verifies that the Go toolchains published in the Go Module Mirror can be reproduced from source code, making it difficult to hide backdoors in the binaries downloaded by the go command.
  4. A telemetry config tracker that tracks the names of telemetry counters uploaded by the Go toolchain, to ensure that Go telemetry is not violating users privacy.
As the homepage of the service mentions, the trackers are free software and do not rely on Google infrastructure.

Three new academic papers published Julien Malka of the Institut Polytechnique de Paris published an exciting paper this month on How NixOS could have detected the XZ supply-chain attack for the benefit of all thanks to reproducible-builds. Julien outlines his paper as follows:
In March 2024, a sophisticated backdoor was discovered in xz, a core compression library in Linux distributions, covertly inserted over three years by a malicious maintainer, Jia Tan. The attack, which enabled remote code execution via ssh, was only uncovered by chance when Andres Freund investigated a minor performance issue. This incident highlights the vulnerability of the open-source supply chain and the effort attackers are willing to invest in gaining trust and access. In this article, I analyze the backdoor s mechanics and explore how bitwise build reproducibility could have helped detect it.
A PDF of the paper is available online.
Iy n M ndez Veiga and Esther H nggi (of the Lucerne University of Applied Sciences and Arts and ETH Zurich) published a paper this month on the topic of Reproducible Builds for Quantum Computing. The abstract of their paper mentions the following:
Although quantum computing is a rapidly evolving field of research, it can already benefit from adopting reproducible builds. This paper aims to bridge the gap between the quantum computing and reproducible builds communities. We propose a generalization of the definition of reproducible builds in the quantum setting, motivated by two threat models: one targeting the confidentiality of end users data during circuit preparation and submission to a quantum computer, and another compromising the integrity of quantum computation results. This work presents three examples that show how classical information can be hidden in transpiled quantum circuits, and two cases illustrating how even minimal modifications to these circuits can lead to incorrect quantum computation results.
A full PDF of their paper is available.
Congratulations to Georg Kofler who submitted their Master s thesis for the Johannes Kepler University of Linz, Austria on the topic of Reproducible builds of E2EE-messengers for Android using Nix hermetic builds:
The thesis focuses on providing a reproducible build process for two open-source E2EE messaging applications: Signal and Wire. The motivation to ensure reproducibility and thereby the integrity of E2EE messaging applications stems from their central role as essential tools for modern digital privacy. These applications provide confidentiality for private and sensitive communications, and their compromise could undermine encryption mechanisms, potentially leaking sensitive data to third parties.
A full PDF of their thesis is available online.
Shawkot Hossain of Aalto University, Finland has also submitted their Master s thesis on the The Role of SBOM in Modern Development with a focus on the extant tooling:
Currently, there are numerous solutions and techniques available in the market to tackle supply chain security, and all claim to be the best solution. This thesis delves deeper by implementing those solutions and evaluates them for better understanding. Some of the tools that this thesis implemented are Syft, Trivy, Grype, FOSSA, dependency-check, and Gemnasium. Software dependencies are generated in a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) format by using these open-source tools, and the corresponding results have been analyzed. Among these tools, Syft and Trivy outperform others as they provide relevant and accurate information on software dependencies.
A PDF of the thesis is also available.

Distribution work Michael Plura published an interesting article on Heise.de on the topic of Trust is good, reproducibility is better:
In the wake of growing supply chain attacks, the FreeBSD developers are relying on a transparent build concept in the form of Zero-Trust Builds. The approach builds on the established Reproducible Builds, where binary files can be rebuilt bit-for-bit from the published source code. While reproducible builds primarily ensure verifiability, the zero-trust model goes a step further and removes trust from the build process itself. No single server, maintainer, or compiler can be considered more than potentially trustworthy.
The article mentions that this goal has now been achieved with a slight delay and can be used in the current development branch for FreeBSD 15 .
In Debian this month, 7 reviews of Debian packages were added, 5 were updated and 11 were removed this month adding to our knowledge about identified issues. For the Debian CI tests Holger fixed #786644 and set nocheck in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for the 2nd build..
Lastly, Bernhard M. Wiedemann posted another openSUSE monthly update for their work there.

Upstream patches The Reproducible Builds project detects, dissects and attempts to fix as many currently-unreproducible packages as possible. We endeavour to send all of our patches upstream where appropriate. This month, we wrote a large number of such patches, including:

Website updates Once again, there were a number of improvements made to our website this month including: In addition, a number of contributors added a series of notes from our recent summit to the website, including Alexander Couzens [ ], Robin Candau [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ] and kpcyrd [ ].

Tool development diffoscope version 307 was uploaded to Debian unstable by Chris Lamb, who made a number of changes including fixing compatibility with LLVM version 21 [ ], an attempt to automatically attempt to deploy to PyPI by liaising with the PyPI developers/maintainers (with this experimental feature). [ ] In addition, Vagrant Cascadian updated diffoscope in GNU Guix to version 307.

Finally, if you are interested in contributing to the Reproducible Builds project, please visit our Contribute page on our website. However, you can get in touch with us via:

19 October 2025

Otto Kek l inen: Could the XZ backdoor have been detected with better Git and Debian packaging practices?

Featured image of post Could the XZ backdoor have been detected with better Git and Debian packaging practices?The discovery of a backdoor in XZ Utils in the spring of 2024 shocked the open source community, raising critical questions about software supply chain security. This post explores whether better Debian packaging practices could have detected this threat, offering a guide to auditing packages and suggesting future improvements. The XZ backdoor in versions 5.6.0/5.6.1 made its way briefly into many major Linux distributions such as Debian and Fedora, but luckily didn t reach that many actual users, as the backdoored releases were quickly removed thanks to the heroic diligence of Andres Freund. We are all extremely lucky that he detected a half a second performance regression in SSH, cared enough to trace it down, discovered malicious code in the XZ library loaded by SSH, and reported promtly to various security teams for quick coordinated actions. This episode makes software engineers pondering the following questions: As a Debian Developer, I decided to audit the xz package in Debian, share my methodology and findings in this post, and also suggest some improvements on how the software supply-chain security could be tightened in Debian specifically. Note that the scope here is only to inspect how Debian imports software from its upstreams, and how they are distributed to Debian s users. This excludes the whole story of how to assess if an upstream project is following software development security best practices. This post doesn t discuss how to operate an individual computer running Debian to ensure it remains untampered as there are plenty of guides on that already.

Downloading Debian and upstream source packages Let s start by working backwards from what the Debian package repositories offer for download. As auditing binaries is extremely complicated, we skip that, and assume the Debian build hosts are trustworthy and reliably building binaries from the source packages, and the focus should be on auditing the source code packages. As with everything in Debian, there are multiple tools and ways to do the same thing, but in this post only one (and hopefully the best) way to do something is presented for brevity. The first step is to download the latest version and some past versions of the package from the Debian archive, which is easiest done with debsnap. The following command will download all Debian source packages of xz-utils from Debian release 5.2.4-1 onwards:
$ debsnap --verbose --first 5.2.4-1 xz-utils
Getting json https://snapshot.debian.org/mr/package/xz-utils/
...
Getting dsc file xz-utils_5.2.4-1.dsc: https://snapshot.debian.org/file/a98271e4291bed8df795ce04d9dc8e4ce959462d
Getting file xz-utils_5.2.4.orig.tar.xz.asc: https://snapshot.debian.org/file/59ccbfb2405abe510999afef4b374cad30c09275
Getting file xz-utils_5.2.4-1.debian.tar.xz: https://snapshot.debian.org/file/667c14fd9409ca54c397b07d2d70140d6297393f
source-xz-utils/xz-utils_5.2.4-1.dsc:
Good signature found
validating xz-utils_5.2.4.orig.tar.xz
validating xz-utils_5.2.4.orig.tar.xz.asc
validating xz-utils_5.2.4-1.debian.tar.xz
All files validated successfully.
Once debsnap completes there will be a subfolder source-<package name> with the following types of files:
  • *.orig.tar.xz: source code from upstream
  • *.orig.tar.xz.asc: detached signature (if upstream signs their releases)
  • *.debian.tar.xz: Debian packaging source, i.e. the debian/ subdirectory contents
  • *.dsc: Debian source control file, including signature by Debian Developer/Maintainer
Example:
$ ls -1 source-xz-utils/
...
xz-utils_5.6.4.orig.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.6.4.orig.tar.xz.asc
xz-utils_5.6.4-1.debian.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.6.4-1.dsc
xz-utils_5.8.0.orig.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.8.0.orig.tar.xz.asc
xz-utils_5.8.0-1.debian.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.8.0-1.dsc
xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz.asc
xz-utils_5.8.1-1.1.debian.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.8.1-1.1.dsc
xz-utils_5.8.1-1.debian.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.8.1-1.dsc
xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.8.1-2.dsc

Verifying authenticity of upstream and Debian sources using OpenPGP signatures As seen in the output of debsnap, it already automatically verifies that the downloaded files match the OpenPGP signatures. To have full clarity on what files were authenticated with what keys, we should verify the Debian packagers signature with:
$ gpg --verify --auto-key-retrieve --keyserver hkps://keyring.debian.org xz-utils_5.8.1-2.dsc
gpg: Signature made Fri Oct 3 22:04:44 2025 UTC
gpg: using RSA key 57892E705233051337F6FDD105641F175712FA5B
gpg: requesting key 05641F175712FA5B from hkps://keyring.debian.org
gpg: key 7B96E8162A8CF5D1: public key "Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg: imported: 1
gpg: Good signature from "Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" [unknown]
gpg: aka "Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>" [unknown]
gpg: aka "Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc>" [unknown]
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 6425 4695 FFF0 AA44 66CC 19E6 7B96 E816 2A8C F5D1
Subkey fingerprint: 5789 2E70 5233 0513 37F6 FDD1 0564 1F17 5712 FA5B
The upstream tarball signature (if available) can be verified with:
$ gpg --verify --auto-key-retrieve xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz.asc
gpg: assuming signed data in 'xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz'
gpg: Signature made Thu Apr 3 11:38:23 2025 UTC
gpg: using RSA key 3690C240CE51B4670D30AD1C38EE757D69184620
gpg: key 38EE757D69184620: public key "Lasse Collin <lasse.collin@tukaani.org>" imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg: imported: 1
gpg: Good signature from "Lasse Collin <lasse.collin@tukaani.org>" [unknown]
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 3690 C240 CE51 B467 0D30 AD1C 38EE 757D 6918 4620
Note that this only proves that there is a key that created a valid signature for this content. The authenticity of the keys themselves need to be validated separately before trusting they in fact are the keys of these people. That can be done by checking e.g. the upstream website for what key fingerprints they published, or the Debian keyring for Debian Developers and Maintainers, or by relying on the OpenPGP web-of-trust .

Verifying authenticity of upstream sources by comparing checksums In case the upstream in question does not publish release signatures, the second best way to verify the authenticity of the sources used in Debian is to download the sources directly from upstream and compare that the sha256 checksums match. This should be done using the debian/watch file inside the Debian packaging, which defines where the upstream source is downloaded from. Continuing on the example situation above, we can unpack the latest Debian sources, enter and then run uscan to download:
$ tar xvf xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz
...
debian/rules
debian/source/format
debian/source.lintian-overrides
debian/symbols
debian/tests/control
debian/tests/testsuite
debian/upstream/signing-key.asc
debian/watch
...
$ uscan --download-current-version --destdir /tmp
Newest version of xz-utils on remote site is 5.8.1, specified download version is 5.8.1
gpgv: Signature made Thu Apr 3 11:38:23 2025 UTC
gpgv: using RSA key 3690C240CE51B4670D30AD1C38EE757D69184620
gpgv: Good signature from "Lasse Collin <lasse.collin@tukaani.org>"
Successfully symlinked /tmp/xz-5.8.1.tar.xz to /tmp/xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz.
The original files downloaded from upstream are now in /tmp along with the files renamed to follow Debian conventions. Using everything downloaded so far the sha256 checksums can be compared across the files and also to what the .dsc file advertised:
$ ls -1 /tmp/
xz-5.8.1.tar.xz
xz-5.8.1.tar.xz.sig
xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz
xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz.asc
$ sha256sum xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz /tmp/xz-5.8.1.tar.xz
0b54f79df85912504de0b14aec7971e3f964491af1812d83447005807513cd9e xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz
0b54f79df85912504de0b14aec7971e3f964491af1812d83447005807513cd9e /tmp/xz-5.8.1.tar.xz
$ grep -A 3 Sha256 xz-utils_5.8.1-2.dsc
Checksums-Sha256:
0b54f79df85912504de0b14aec7971e3f964491af1812d83447005807513cd9e 1461872 xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz
4138f4ceca1aa7fd2085fb15a23f6d495d27bca6d3c49c429a8520ea622c27ae 833 xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz.asc
3ed458da17e4023ec45b2c398480ed4fe6a7bfc1d108675ec837b5ca9a4b5ccb 24648 xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz
In the example above the checksum 0b54f79df85... is the same across the files, so it is a match.

Repackaged upstream sources can t be verified as easily Note that uscan may in rare cases repackage some upstream sources, for example to exclude files that don t adhere to Debian s copyright and licensing requirements. Those files and paths would be listed under the Files-Excluded section in the debian/copyright file. There are also other situations where the file that represents the upstream sources in Debian isn t bit-by-bit the same as what upstream published. If checksums don t match, an experienced Debian Developer should review all package settings (e.g. debian/source/options) to see if there was a valid and intentional reason for divergence.

Reviewing changes between two source packages using diffoscope Diffoscope is an incredibly capable and handy tool to compare arbitrary files. For example, to view a report in HTML format of the differences between two XZ releases, run:
diffoscope --html-dir xz-utils-5.6.4_vs_5.8.0 xz-utils_5.6.4.orig.tar.xz xz-utils_5.8.0.orig.tar.xz
browse xz-utils-5.6.4_vs_5.8.0/index.html
Inspecting diffoscope output of differences between two XZ Utils releases If the changes are extensive, and you want to use a LLM to help spot potential security issues, generate the report of both the upstream and Debian packaging differences in Markdown with:
diffoscope --markdown diffoscope-debian.md xz-utils_5.6.4-1.debian.tar.xz xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz
diffoscope --markdown diffoscope.md xz-utils_5.6.4.orig.tar.xz xz-utils_5.8.0.orig.tar.xz
The Markdown files created above can then be passed to your favorite LLM, along with a prompt such as:
Based on the attached diffoscope output for a new Debian package version compared with the previous one, list all suspicious changes that might have introduced a backdoor, followed by other potential security issues. If there are none, list a short summary of changes as the conclusion.

Reviewing Debian source packages in version control As of today only 93% of all Debian source packages are tracked in git on Debian s GitLab instance at salsa.debian.org. Some key packages such as Coreutils and Bash are not using version control at all, as their maintainers apparently don t see value in using git for Debian packaging, and the Debian Policy does not require it. Thus, the only reliable and consistent way to audit changes in Debian packages is to compare the full versions from the archive as shown above. However, for packages that are hosted on Salsa, one can view the git history to gain additional insight into what exactly changed, when and why. For packages that are using version control, their location can be found in the Git-Vcs header in the debian/control file. For xz-utils the location is salsa.debian.org/debian/xz-utils. Note that the Debian policy does not state anything about how Salsa should be used, or what git repository layout or development practices to follow. In practice most packages follow the DEP-14 proposal, and use git-buildpackage as the tool for managing changes and pushing and pulling them between upstream and salsa.debian.org. To get the XZ Utils source, run:
$ gbp clone https://salsa.debian.org/debian/xz-utils.git
gbp:info: Cloning from 'https://salsa.debian.org/debian/xz-utils.git'
At the time of writing this post the git history shows:
$ git log --graph --oneline
* bb787585 (HEAD -> debian/unstable, origin/debian/unstable, origin/HEAD) Prepare 5.8.1-2
* 4b769547 d: Remove the symlinks from -dev package.
* a39f3428 Correct the nocheck build profile
* 1b806b8d Import Debian changes 5.8.1-1.1
* b1cad34b Prepare 5.8.1-1
* a8646015 Import 5.8.1
* 2808ec2d Update upstream source from tag 'upstream/5.8.1'
 \
  * fa1e8796 (origin/upstream/v5.8, upstream/v5.8) New upstream version 5.8.1
  * a522a226 Bump version and soname for 5.8.1
  * 1c462c2a Add NEWS for 5.8.1
  * 513cabcf Tests: Call lzma_code() in smaller chunks in fuzz_common.h
  * 48440e24 Tests: Add a fuzzing target for the multithreaded .xz decoder
  * 0c80045a liblzma: mt dec: Fix lack of parallelization in single-shot decoding
  * 81880488 liblzma: mt dec: Don't modify thr->in_size in the worker thread
  * d5a2ffe4 liblzma: mt dec: Don't free the input buffer too early (CVE-2025-31115)
  * c0c83596 liblzma: mt dec: Simplify by removing the THR_STOP state
  * 831b55b9 liblzma: mt dec: Fix a comment
  * b9d168ee liblzma: Add assertions to lzma_bufcpy()
  * c8e0a489 DOS: Update Makefile to fix the build
  * 307c02ed sysdefs.h: Avoid <stdalign.h> even with C11 compilers
  * 7ce38b31 Update THANKS
  * 688e51bd Translations: Update the Croatian translation
*   a6b54dde Prepare 5.8.0-1.
*   77d9470f Add 5.8 symbols.
*   9268eb66 Import 5.8.0
*   6f85ef4f Update upstream source from tag 'upstream/5.8.0'
 \ \
  *   afba662b New upstream version 5.8.0
   /
  * 173fb5c6 doc/SHA256SUMS: Add 5.8.0
  * db9258e8 Bump version and soname for 5.8.0
  * bfb752a3 Add NEWS for 5.8.0
  * 6ccbb904 Translations: Run "make -C po update-po"
  * 891a5f05 Translations: Run po4a/update-po
  * 4f52e738 Translations: Partially fix overtranslation in Serbian man pages
  * ff5d9447 liblzma: Count the extra bytes in LZMA/LZMA2 decoder memory usage
  * 943b012d liblzma: Use SSE2 intrinsics instead of memcpy() in dict_repeat()
This shows both the changes on the debian/unstable branch as well as the intermediate upstream import branch, and the actual real upstream development branch. See my Debian source packages in git explainer for details of what these branches are used for. To only view changes on the Debian branch, run git log --graph --oneline --first-parent or git log --graph --oneline -- debian. The Debian branch should only have changes inside the debian/ subdirectory, which is easy to check with:
$ git diff --stat upstream/v5.8
debian/README.source   16 +++
debian/autogen.sh   32 +++++
debian/changelog   949 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
...
debian/upstream/signing-key.asc   52 +++++++++
debian/watch   4 +
debian/xz-utils.README.Debian   47 ++++++++
debian/xz-utils.docs   6 +
debian/xz-utils.install   28 +++++
debian/xz-utils.postinst   19 +++
debian/xz-utils.prerm   10 ++
debian/xzdec.docs   6 +
debian/xzdec.install   4 +
33 files changed, 2014 insertions(+)
All the files outside the debian/ directory originate from upstream, and for example running git blame on them should show only upstream commits:
$ git blame CMakeLists.txt
22af94128 (Lasse Collin 2024-02-12 17:09:10 +0200 1) # SPDX-License-Identifier: 0BSD
22af94128 (Lasse Collin 2024-02-12 17:09:10 +0200 2)
7e3493d40 (Lasse Collin 2020-02-24 23:38:16 +0200 3) ###############
7e3493d40 (Lasse Collin 2020-02-24 23:38:16 +0200 4) #
426bdc709 (Lasse Collin 2024-02-17 21:45:07 +0200 5) # CMake support for building XZ Utils
If the upstream in question signs commits or tags, they can be verified with e.g.:
$ git verify-tag v5.6.2
gpg: Signature made Wed 29 May 2024 09:39:42 AM PDT
gpg: using RSA key 3690C240CE51B4670D30AD1C38EE757D69184620
gpg: issuer "lasse.collin@tukaani.org"
gpg: Good signature from "Lasse Collin <lasse.collin@tukaani.org>" [expired]
gpg: Note: This key has expired!
The main benefit of reviewing changes in git is the ability to see detailed information about each individual change, instead of just staring at a massive list of changes without any explanations. In this example, to view all the upstream commits since the previous import to Debian, one would view the commit range from afba662b New upstream version 5.8.0 to fa1e8796 New upstream version 5.8.1 with git log --reverse -p afba662b...fa1e8796. However, a far superior way to review changes would be to browse this range using a visual git history viewer, such as gitk. Either way, looking at one code change at a time and reading the git commit message makes the review much easier. Browsing git history in gitk --all

Comparing Debian source packages to git contents As stated in the beginning of the previous section, and worth repeating, there is no guarantee that the contents in the Debian packaging git repository matches what was actually uploaded to Debian. While the tag2upload project in Debian is getting more and more popular, Debian is still far from having any system to enforce that the git repository would be in sync with the Debian archive contents. To detect such differences we can run diff across the Debian source packages downloaded with debsnap earlier (path source-xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian) and the git repository cloned in the previous section (path xz-utils):
diff
$ diff -u source-xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian/ xz-utils/debian/
diff -u source-xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian/changelog xz-utils/debian/changelog
--- debsnap/source-xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian/changelog 2025-10-03 09:32:16.000000000 -0700
+++ xz-utils/debian/changelog 2025-10-12 12:18:04.623054758 -0700
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
 * Remove the symlinks from -dev, pointing to the lib package.
 (Closes: #1109354)

- -- Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc> Fri, 03 Oct 2025 18:32:16 +0200
+ -- Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc> Fri, 03 Oct 2025 18:36:59 +0200
In the case above diff revealed that the timestamp in the changelog in the version uploaded to Debian is different from what was committed to git. This is not malicious, just a mistake by the maintainer who probably didn t run gbp tag immediately after upload, but instead some dch command and ended up with having a different timestamps in the git compared to what was actually uploaded to Debian.

Creating syntetic Debian packaging git repositories If no Debian packaging git repository exists, or if it is lagging behind what was uploaded to Debian s archive, one can use git-buildpackage s import-dscs feature to create synthetic git commits based on the files downloaded by debsnap, ensuring the git contents fully matches what was uploaded to the archive. To import a single version there is gbp import-dsc (no s at the end), of which an example invocation would be:
$ gbp import-dsc --verbose ../source-xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1-2.dsc
Version '5.8.1-2' imported under '/home/otto/debian/xz-utils-2025-09-29'
Example commit history from a repository with commits added with gbp import-dsc:
$ git log --graph --oneline
* 86aed07b (HEAD -> debian/unstable, tag: debian/5.8.1-2, origin/debian/unstable) Import Debian changes 5.8.1-2
* f111d93b (tag: debian/5.8.1-1.1) Import Debian changes 5.8.1-1.1
* 1106e19b (tag: debian/5.8.1-1) Import Debian changes 5.8.1-1
 \
  * 08edbe38 (tag: upstream/5.8.1, origin/upstream/v5.8, upstream/v5.8) Import Upstream version 5.8.1
   \
    * a522a226 (tag: v5.8.1) Bump version and soname for 5.8.1
    * 1c462c2a Add NEWS for 5.8.1
    * 513cabcf Tests: Call lzma_code() in smaller chunks in fuzz_common.h
An online example repository with only a few missing uploads added using gbp import-dsc can be viewed at salsa.debian.org/otto/xz-utils-2025-09-29/-/network/debian%2Funstable An example repository that was fully crafted using gbp import-dscs can be viewed at salsa.debian.org/otto/xz-utils-gbp-import-dscs-debsnap-generated/-/network/debian%2Flatest. There exists also dgit, which in a similar way creates a synthetic git history to allow viewing the Debian archive contents via git tools. However, its focus is on producing new package versions, so fetching a package with dgit that has not had the history recorded in dgit earlier will only show the latest versions:
$ dgit clone xz-utils
canonical suite name for unstable is sid
starting new git history
last upload to archive: NO git hash
downloading http://ftp.debian.org/debian//pool/main/x/xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz...
downloading http://ftp.debian.org/debian//pool/main/x/xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz.asc...
downloading http://ftp.debian.org/debian//pool/main/x/xz-utils/xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz...
dpkg-source: info: extracting xz-utils in unpacked
dpkg-source: info: unpacking xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz
dpkg-source: info: unpacking xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz
synthesised git commit from .dsc 5.8.1-2
HEAD is now at f9bcaf7 xz-utils (5.8.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium
dgit ok: ready for work in xz-utils
$ dgit/sid   git log --graph --oneline
* f9bcaf7 xz-utils (5.8.1-2) unstable; urgency=medium 9 days ago (HEAD -> dgit/sid, dgit/dgit/sid)
 \
  * 11d3a62 Import xz-utils_5.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz 9 days ago
* 15dcd95 Import xz-utils_5.8.1.orig.tar.xz 6 months ago
Unlike git-buildpackage managed git repositories, the dgit managed repositories cannot incorporate the upstream git history and are thus less useful for auditing the full software supply-chain in git.

Comparing upstream source packages to git contents Equally important to the note in the beginning of the previous section, one must also keep in mind that the upstream release source packages, often called release tarballs, are not guaranteed to have the exact same contents as the upstream git repository. Projects might strip out test data or extra development files from their release tarballs to avoid shipping unnecessary files to users, or projects might add documentation files or versioning information into the tarball that isn t stored in git. While a small minority, there are also upstreams that don t use git at all, so the plain files in a release tarball is still the lowest common denominator for all open source software projects, and exporting and importing source code needs to interface with it. In the case of XZ, the release tarball has additional version info and also a sizeable amount of pregenerated compiler configuration files. Detecting and comparing differences between git contents and tarballs can of course be done manually by running diff across an unpacked tarball and a checked out git repository. If using git-buildpackage, the difference between the git contents and tarball contents can be made visible directly in the import commit. In this XZ example, consider this git history:
* b1cad34b Prepare 5.8.1-1
* a8646015 Import 5.8.1
* 2808ec2d Update upstream source from tag 'upstream/5.8.1'
 \
  * fa1e8796 (debian/upstream/v5.8, upstream/v5.8) New upstream version 5.8.1
  * a522a226 (tag: v5.8.1) Bump version and soname for 5.8.1
  * 1c462c2a Add NEWS for 5.8.1
The commit a522a226 was the upstream release commit, which upstream also tagged v5.8.1. The merge commit 2808ec2d applied the new upstream import branch contents on the Debian branch. Between these is the special commit fa1e8796 New upstream version 5.8.1 tagged upstream/v5.8. This commit and tag exists only in the Debian packaging repository, and they show what is the contents imported into Debian. This is generated automatically by git-buildpackage when running git import-orig --uscan for Debian packages with the correct settings in debian/gbp.conf. By viewing this commit one can see exactly how the upstream release tarball differs from the upstream git contents (if at all). In the case of XZ, the difference is substantial, and shown below in full as it is very interesting:
$ git show --stat fa1e8796
commit fa1e8796dabd91a0f667b9e90f9841825225413a
(debian/upstream/v5.8, upstream/v5.8)
Author: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc>
Date: Thu Apr 3 22:58:39 2025 +0200
New upstream version 5.8.1
.codespellrc   30 -
.gitattributes   8 -
.github/workflows/ci.yml   163 -
.github/workflows/freebsd.yml   32 -
.github/workflows/netbsd.yml   32 -
.github/workflows/openbsd.yml   35 -
.github/workflows/solaris.yml   32 -
.github/workflows/windows-ci.yml   124 -
.gitignore   113 -
ABOUT-NLS   1 +
ChangeLog   17392 +++++++++++++++++++++
Makefile.in   1097 +++++++
aclocal.m4   1353 ++++++++
build-aux/ci_build.bash   286 --
build-aux/compile   351 ++
build-aux/config.guess   1815 ++++++++++
build-aux/config.rpath   751 +++++
build-aux/config.sub   2354 +++++++++++++
build-aux/depcomp   792 +++++
build-aux/install-sh   541 +++
build-aux/ltmain.sh   11524 ++++++++++++++++++++++
build-aux/missing   236 ++
build-aux/test-driver   160 +
config.h.in   634 ++++
configure   26434 ++++++++++++++++++++++
debug/Makefile.in   756 +++++
doc/SHA256SUMS   236 --
doc/man/txt/lzmainfo.txt   36 +
doc/man/txt/xz.txt   1708 ++++++++++
doc/man/txt/xzdec.txt   76 +
doc/man/txt/xzdiff.txt   39 +
doc/man/txt/xzgrep.txt   70 +
doc/man/txt/xzless.txt   36 +
doc/man/txt/xzmore.txt   31 +
lib/Makefile.in   623 ++++
m4/.gitignore   40 -
m4/build-to-host.m4   274 ++
m4/gettext.m4   392 +++
m4/host-cpu-c-abi.m4   529 +++
m4/iconv.m4   324 ++
m4/intlmacosx.m4   71 +
m4/lib-ld.m4   170 +
m4/lib-link.m4   815 +++++
m4/lib-prefix.m4   334 ++
m4/libtool.m4   8488 +++++++++++++++++++++
m4/ltoptions.m4   467 +++
m4/ltsugar.m4   124 +
m4/ltversion.m4   24 +
m4/lt~obsolete.m4   99 +
m4/nls.m4   33 +
m4/po.m4   456 +++
m4/progtest.m4   92 +
po/.gitignore   31 -
po/Makefile.in.in   517 +++
po/Rules-quot   66 +
po/boldquot.sed   21 +
po/ca.gmo   Bin 0 -> 15587 bytes
po/cs.gmo   Bin 0 -> 7983 bytes
po/da.gmo   Bin 0 -> 9040 bytes
po/de.gmo   Bin 0 -> 29882 bytes
po/en@boldquot.header   35 +
po/en@quot.header   32 +
po/eo.gmo   Bin 0 -> 15060 bytes
po/es.gmo   Bin 0 -> 29228 bytes
po/fi.gmo   Bin 0 -> 28225 bytes
po/fr.gmo   Bin 0 -> 10232 bytes
To be able to easily inspect exactly what changed in the release tarball compared to git release tag contents, the best tool for the job is Meld, invoked via git difftool --dir-diff fa1e8796^..fa1e8796. Meld invoked by git difftool --dir-diff afba662b..fa1e8796 to show differences between git release tag and release tarball contents To compare changes across the new and old upstream tarball, one would need to compare commits afba662b New upstream version 5.8.0 and fa1e8796 New upstream version 5.8.1 by running git difftool --dir-diff afba662b..fa1e8796. Meld invoked by git difftool --dir-diff afba662b..fa1e8796 to show differences between to upstream release tarball contents With all the above tips you can now go and try to audit your own favorite package in Debian and see if it is identical with upstream, and if not, how it differs.

Should the XZ backdoor have been detected using these tools? The famous XZ Utils backdoor (CVE-2024-3094) consisted of two parts: the actual backdoor inside two binary blobs masqueraded as a test files (tests/files/bad-3-corrupt_lzma2.xz, tests/files/good-large_compressed.lzma), and a small modification in the build scripts (m4/build-to-host.m4) to extract the backdoor and plant it into the built binary. The build script was not tracked in version control, but generated with GNU Autotools at release time and only shipped as additional files in the release tarball. The entire reason for me to write this post was to ponder if a diligent engineer using git-buildpackage best practices could have reasonably spotted this while importing the new upstream release into Debian. The short answer is no . The malicious actor here clearly anticipated all the typical ways anyone might inspect both git commits, and release tarball contents, and masqueraded the changes very well and over a long timespan. First of all, XZ has for legitimate reasons for several carefully crafted .xz files as test data to help catch regressions in the decompression code path. The test files are shipped in the release so users can run the test suite and validate that the binary is built correctly and xz works properly. Debian famously runs massive amounts of testing in its CI and autopkgtest system across tens of thousands of packages to uphold high quality despite frequent upgrades of the build toolchain and while supporting more CPU architectures than any other distro. Test data is useful and should stay. When git-buildpackage is used correctly, the upstream commits are visible in the Debian packaging for easy review, but the commit cf44e4b that introduced the test files does not deviate enough from regular sloppy coding practices to really stand out. It is unfortunately very common for git commit to lack a message body explaining why the change was done, and to not be properly atomic with test code and test data together in the same commit, and for commits to be pushed directly to mainline without using code reviews (the commit was not part of any PR in this case). Only another upstream developer could have spotted that this change is not on par to what the project expects, and that the test code was never added, only test data, and thus that this commit was not just a sloppy one but potentially malicious. Secondly, the fact that a new Autotools file appeared (m4/build-to-host.m4) in the XZ Utils 5.6.0 is not suspicious. This is perfectly normal for Autotools. In fact, starting from XZ Utils version 5.8.1 it is now shipping a m4/build-to-host.m4 file that it actually uses now. Spotting that there is anything fishy is practically impossible by simply reading the code, as Autotools files are full custom m4 syntax interwoven with shell script, and there are plenty of backticks ( ) that spawn subshells and evals that execute variable contents further, which is just normal for Autotools. Russ Cox s XZ post explains how exactly the Autotools code fetched the actual backdoor from the test files and injected it into the build. Inspecting the m4/build-to-host.m4 changes in Meld launched via git difftool There is only one tiny thing that maybe a very experienced Autotools user could potentially have noticed: the serial 30 in the version header is way too high. In theory one could also have noticed this Autotools file deviates from what other packages in Debian ship with the same filename, such as e.g. the serial 3, serial 5a or 5b versions. That would however require and an insane amount extra checking work, and is not something we should plan to start doing. A much simpler solution would be to simply strongly recommend all open source projects to stop using Autotools to eventually get rid of it entirely.

Not detectable with reasonable effort While planting backdoors is evil, it is hard not to feel some respect to the level of skill and dedication of the people behind this. I ve been involved in a bunch of security breach investigations during my IT career, and never have I seen anything this well executed. If it hadn t slowed down SSH by ~500 milliseconds and been discovered due to that, it would most likely have stayed undetected for months or years. Hiding backdoors in closed source software is relatively trivial, but hiding backdoors in plain sight in a popular open source project requires some unusual amount of expertise and creativity as shown above.

Is the software supply-chain in Debian easy to audit? While maintaining a Debian package source using git-buildpackage can make the package history a lot easier to inspect, most packages have incomplete configurations in their debian/gbp.conf, and thus their package development histories are not always correctly constructed or uniform and easy to compare. The Debian Policy does not mandate git usage at all, and there are many important packages that are not using git at all. Additionally the Debian Policy also allows for non-maintainers to upload new versions to Debian without committing anything in git even for packages where the original maintainer wanted to use git. Uploads that bypass git unfortunately happen surpisingly often. Because of the situation, I am afraid that we could have multiple similar backdoors lurking that simply haven t been detected yet. More audits, that hopefully also get published openly, would be welcome! More people auditing the contents of the Debian archives would probably also help surface what tools and policies Debian might be missing to make the work easier, and thus help improve the security of Debian s users, and improve trust in Debian.

Is Debian currently missing some software that could help detect similar things? To my knowledge there is currently no system in place as part of Debian s QA or security infrastructure to verify that the upstream source packages in Debian are actually from upstream. I ve come across a lot of packages where the debian/watch or other configs are incorrect and even cases where maintainers have manually created upstream tarballs as it was easier than configuring automation to work. It is obvious that for those packages the source tarball now in Debian is not at all the same as upstream. I am not aware of any malicious cases though (if I was, I would report them of course). I am also aware of packages in the Debian repository that are misconfigured to be of type 1.0 (native) packages, mixing the upstream files and debian/ contents and having patches applied, while they actually should be configured as 3.0 (quilt), and not hide what is the true upstream sources. Debian should extend the QA tools to scan for such things. If I find a sponsor, I might build it myself as my next major contribution to Debian. In addition to better tooling for finding mismatches in the source code, Debian could also have better tooling for tracking in built binaries what their source files were, but solutions like Fraunhofer-AISEC s supply-graph or Sony s ESSTRA are not practical yet. Julien Malka s post about NixOS discusses the role of reproducible builds, which may help in some cases across all distros.

Or, is Debian missing some policies or practices to mitigate this? Perhaps more importantly than more security scanning, the Debian Developer community should switch the general mindset from anyone is free to do anything to valuing having more shared workflows. The ability to audit anything is severely hampered by the fact that there are so many ways to do the same thing, and distinguishing what is a normal deviation from a malicious deviation is too hard, as the normal can basically be almost anything. Also, as there is no documented and recommended default workflow, both those who are old and new to Debian packaging might never learn any one optimal workflow, and end up doing many steps in the packaging process in a way that kind of works, but is actually wrong or unnecessary, causing process deviations that look malicious, but turn out to just be a result of not fully understanding what would have been the right way to do something. In the long run, once individual developers workflows are more aligned, doing code reviews will become a lot easier and smoother as the excess noise of workflow differences diminishes and reviews will feel much more productive to all participants. Debian fostering a culture of code reviews would allow us to slowly move from the current practice of mainly solo packaging work towards true collaboration forming around those code reviews. I have been promoting increased use of Merge Requests in Debian already for some time, for example by proposing DEP-18: Encourage Continuous Integration and Merge Request based Collaboration for Debian packages. If you are involved in Debian development, please give a thumbs up in dep-team/deps!21 if you want me to continue promoting it.

Can we trust open source software? Yes and I would argue that we can only trust open source software. There is no way to audit closed source software, and anyone using e.g. Windows or MacOS just have to trust the vendor s word when they say they have no intentional or accidental backdoors in their software. Or, when the news gets out that the systems of a closed source vendor was compromised, like Crowdstrike some weeks ago, we can t audit anything, and time after time we simply need to take their word when they say they have properly cleaned up their code base. In theory, a vendor could give some kind of contractual or financial guarantee to its customer that there are no preventable security issues, but in practice that never happens. I am not aware of a single case of e.g. Microsoft or Oracle would have paid damages to their customers after a security flaw was found in their software. In theory you could also pay a vendor more to have them focus more effort in security, but since there is no way to verify what they did, or to get compensation when they didn t, any increased fees are likely just pocketed as increased profit. Open source is clearly better overall. You can, if you are an individual with the time and skills, audit every step in the supply-chain, or you could as an organization make investments in open source security improvements and actually verify what changes were made and how security improved. If your organisation is using Debian (or derivatives, such as Ubuntu) and you are interested in sponsoring my work to improve Debian, please reach out.

3 October 2025

Jonathan Dowland: Tron: Ares (soundtrack)

photo of Tron: Ares vinyl record on my turntable, next to packaging
There's a new Nine Inch Nails album! That doesn't happen very often. There's a new Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross soundtrack! That happens all the time! For the first time, they're the same thing. The new one, Tron: Ares, is very deliberately presented as a Nine Inch Nails album, and not a TR&AR soundtrack. But is it neither fish nor fowl? 24 tracks, four with lyrics. Singing is not unheard of on TR&AR soundtracks, but it's rare (A Minute to Breathe from the excellent Before the Flood is another). Instrumentals are not rare on NIN albums, either, but this ratio is very unusual, and has disappointed some fans who were hoping for a more traditional NIN album. What does it mean to label something a NIN album anyway? For me, the lines are now further blurred. One thing for sure is it means a lot of media attention, and this release, as well as the film it's promoting, are all over the media at the moment. Posters, trailers, promotional tie-in items, Disney logos everywhere. The album is hitched to the Disney marketing and promotion machine. It's a bit weird seeing the NIN logo all over the place advertising the movie. On to the music. I love TR&AR soundtracks, and some of my favourite NIN tracks are instrumentals. Despite that, three highlights for me are songs: As Alive As You Need Me To Be, I Know You Can Feel It and closer Shadow Over Me. The other stand-out is Building Better Worlds, a short instrumental and clear nod to Wendy Carlos. My main complaint here applies to some of the more recent soundtracks as well: the tracks are too short. They're scored to scenes in the movie, which makes a lot of sense in that presentation, but less so for independent listening. It's not a problem that their earlier, lauded soundtracks suffered (The Social Network, Before the Flood, Bird Box Extended). Perhaps a future remix album will address that.

30 September 2025

Russell Coker: Links September 2025

Werdahias wrote an informative blog post about Dark Mode for QT programs on non-QT environments (mostly GNOME based), we need more blog posts about this sort of thing [1]. Astral Codex Ten has an interesting blog post about the rise of Christianity, trying to work out why it took over so quickly [2]. Frances Haugen s whistleblower statement about Facebook is worth reading, Facebook seems to be one of the most evil companies in the world [3]. Interesting blog post by Philip Bennett about trying to repair a 28 player Galaxian game from 1990 [4]. Bruce Schneier and Nathan E. Sanders wrote an insightful article about AI in Government [5]. Krebs has an interesting analysis of Conservatives whinging about alleged discrimination due to their use of spam lists [6]. Nick Cheesman wrote an insightful article on the failures of Meritocracy with ANU as a case study [7]. I am mystified as to why ABC categorised it under Religion. David Brin wrote an interesting short SciFi story about dealing with blackmail [8]. Charles Stross has an interesting take on AI economics etc [9]. Corey Doctorow wrote an interesting blog post about the impending economic crash becuase of all the money tied up in AI investments [10].

23 September 2025

Ravi Dwivedi: Singapore Trip

In December 2024, I went on a trip through four countries - Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, and Vietnam - with my friend Badri. This post covers our experiences in Singapore. I took an IndiGo flight from Delhi to Singapore, with a layover in Chennai. At the Chennai airport, I was joined by Badri. We had an early morning flight from Chennai that would land in Singapore in the afternoon. Within 48 hours of our scheduled arrival in Singapore, we submitted an arrival card online. At immigration, we simply needed to scan our passports at the gates, which opened automatically to let us through, and then give our address to an official nearby. The process was quick and smooth, but it unfortunately meant that we didn t get our passports stamped by Singapore. Before I left the airport, I wanted to visit the nature-themed park with a fountain I saw in pictures online. It is called Jewel Changi, and it took quite some walking to get there. After reaching the park, we saw a fountain that could be seen from all the levels. We roamed around for a couple of hours, then proceeded to the airport metro station to get to our hotel.
Jewel Changi A shot of Jewel Changi. Photo by Ravi Dwivedi. Released under the CC-BY-SA 4.0.
There were four ATMs on the way to the metro station, but none of them provided us with any cash. This was the first country (outside India, of course!) where my card didn t work at ATMs. To use the metro, one can tap the EZ-Link card or bank cards at the AFC gates to get in. You cannot buy tickets using cash. Before boarding the metro, I used my credit card to get Badri an EZ-Link card from a vending machine. It was 10 Singapore dollars ( 630) - 5 for the card, and 5 for the balance. I had planned to use my Visa credit card to pay for my own fare. I was relieved to see that my card worked, and I passed through the AFC gates. We had booked our stay at a hostel named Campbell s Inn, which was the cheapest we could find in Singapore. It was 1500 per night for dorm beds. The hostel was located in Little India. While Little India has an eponymous metro station, the one closest to our hostel was Rochor. On the way to the hostel, we found out that our booking had been canceled. We had booked from the Hostelworld website, opting to pay the deposit in advance and to pay the balance amount in person upon reaching. However, Hostelworld still tried to charge Badri s card again before our arrival. When the unauthorized charge failed, they sent an automatic message saying we tried to charge and to contact them soon to avoid cancellation, which we couldn t do as we were in the plane. Despite this, we went to the hostel to check the status of our booking. The trip from the airport to Rochor required a couple of transfers. It was 2 Singapore dollars (approx. 130) and took approximately an hour. Upon reaching the hostel, we were informed that our booking had indeed been canceled, and were not given any reason for the cancelation. Furthermore, no beds were available at the hostel for us to book on the spot. We decided to roam around and look for accommodation at other hostels in the area. Soon, we found a hostel by the name of Snooze Inn, which had two beds available. It was 36 Singapore dollars per person (around 2300) for a dormitory bed. Snooze Inn advertised supporting RuPay cards and UPI. Some other places in that area did the same. We paid using my card. We checked in and slept for a couple of hours after taking a shower. By the time we woke up, it was dark. We met Praveen s friend Sabeel to get my FLX1 phone. We also went to Mustafa Center nearby to exchange Indian rupees for Singapore dollars. Mustafa Center also had a shopping center with shops selling electronic items and souvenirs, among other things. When we were dropping off Sabeel at a bus stop, we discovered that the bus stops in Singapore had a digital board mentioning the bus routes for the stop and the number of minutes each bus was going to take. In addition to an organized bus system, Singapore had good pedestrian infrastructure. There were traffic lights and zebra crossings for pedestrians to cross the roads. Unlike in Indian cities, rules were being followed. Cars would stop for pedestrians at unmanaged zebra crossings; pedestrians would in turn wait for their crossing signal to turn green before attempting to walk across. Therefore, walking in Singapore was easy. Traffic rules were taken so seriously in Singapore I (as a pedestrian) was afraid of unintentionally breaking them, which could get me in trouble, as breaking rules is dealt with heavy fines in the country. For example, crossing roads without using a marked crossing (while being within 50 meters of it) - also known as jaywalking - is an offence in Singapore. Moreover, the streets were litter-free, and cleanliness seemed like an obsession. After exploring Mustafa Center, we went to a nearby 7-Eleven to top up Badri s EZ-Link card. He gave 20 Singapore dollars for the recharge, which credited the card by 19.40 Singapore dollars (0.6 dollars being the recharge fee). When I was planning this trip, I discovered that the World Chess Championship match was being held in Singapore. I seized the opportunity and bought a ticket in advance. The next day - the 5th of December - I went to watch the 9th game between Gukesh Dommaraju of India and Ding Liren of China. The venue was a hotel on Sentosa Island, and the ticket was 70 Singapore dollars, which was around 4000 at the time. We checked out from our hostel in the morning, as we were planning to stay with Badri s aunt that night. We had breakfast at a place in Little India. Then we took a couple of buses, followed by a walk to Sentosa Island. Paying the fare for the buses was similar to the metro - I tapped my credit card in the bus, while Badri tapped his EZ-Link card. We also had to tap it while getting off. If you are tapping your credit card to use public transport in Singapore, keep in mind that the total amount of all the trips taken on a day is deducted at the end. This makes it hard to determine the cost of individual trips. For example, I could take a bus and get off after tapping my card, but I would have no way to determine how much this journey cost. When you tap in, the maximum fare amount gets deducted. When you tap out, the balance amount gets refunded (if it s a shorter journey than the maximum fare one). So, there is incentive for passengers not to get off without tapping out. Going by your card statement, it looks like all that happens virtually, and only one statement comes in at the end. Maybe this combining only happens for international cards. We got off the bus a kilometer away from Sentosa Island and walked the rest of the way. We went on the Sentosa Boardwalk, which is itself a tourist attraction. I was using Organic Maps to navigate to the hotel Resorts World Sentosa, but Organic Maps route led us through an amusement park. I tried asking the locals (people working in shops) for directions, but it was a Chinese-speaking region, and they didn t understand English. Fortunately, we managed to find a local who helped us with the directions.
Sentosa Boardwalk A shot of Sentosa Boardwalk. Photo by Ravi Dwivedi. Released under the CC-BY-SA 4.0.
Following the directions, we somehow ended up having to walk on a road which did not have pedestrian paths. Singapore is a country with strict laws, so we did not want to walk on that road. Avoiding that road led us to the Michael Hotel. There was a person standing at the entrance, and I asked him for directions to Resorts World Sentosa. The person told me that the bus (which was standing at the entrance) would drop me there! The bus was a free service for getting to Resorts World Sentosa. Here I parted ways with Badri, who went to his aunt s place. I got to the Resorts Sentosa and showed my ticket to get in. There were two zones inside - the first was a room with a glass wall separating the audience and the players. This was the room to watch the game physically, and resembled a zoo or an aquarium. :) The room was also a silent room, which means talking or making noise was prohibited. Audiences were only allowed to have mobile phones for the first 30 minutes of the game - since I arrived late, I could not bring my phone inside that room. The other zone was outside this room. It had a big TV on which the game was being broadcast along with commentary by David Howell and Jovanka Houska - the official FIDE commentators for the event. If you don t already know, FIDE is the authoritative international chess body. I spent most of the time outside that silent room, giving me an opportunity to socialize. A lot of people were from Singapore. I saw there were many Indians there as well. Moreover, I had a good time with Vasudevan, a journalist from Tamil Nadu who was covering the match. He also asked questions to Gukesh during the post-match conference. His questions were in Tamil to lift Gukesh s spirits, as Gukesh is a Tamil speaker. Tea and coffee were free for the audience. I also bought a T-shirt from their stall as a souvenir. After the game, I took a shuttle bus from Resorts World Sentosa to a metro station, then travelled to Pasir Ris by metro, where Badri was staying with his aunt. I thought of getting something to eat, but could not find any caf s or restaurants while I was walking from the Pasir Ris metro station to my destination, and was positively starving when I got there. Badri s aunt s place was an apartment in a gated community. On the gate was a security guard who asked me the address of the apartment. Upon entering, there were many buildings. To enter the building, you need to dial the number of the apartment you want to go to and speak to them. I had seen that in the TV show Seinfeld, where Jerry s friends used to dial Jerry to get into his building. I was afraid they might not have anything to eat because I told them I was planning to get something on the way. This was fortunately not the case, and I was relieved to not have to sleep with an empty stomach. Badri s uncle gave us an idea of how safe Singapore is. He said that even if you forget your laptop in a public space, you can go back the next day to find it right there in the same spot. I also learned that owning cars was discouraged in Singapore - the government imposes a high registration fee on them, while also making public transport easy to use and affordable. I also found out that 7-Eleven was not that popular among residents in Singapore, unlike in Malaysia or Thailand. The next day was our third and final day in Singapore. We had a bus in the evening to Johor Bahru in Malaysia. We got up early, had breakfast, and checked out from Badri s aunt s home. A store by the name of Cat Socrates was our first stop for the day, as Badri wanted to buy some stationery. The plan was to take the metro, followed by the bus. So we got to Pasir Ris metro station. Next to the metro station was a mall. In the mall, Badri found an ATM where our cards worked, and we got some Singapore dollars. It was noon when we reached the stationery shop mentioned above. We had to walk a kilometer from the place where the bus dropped us. It was a hot, sunny day in Singapore, so walking was not comfortable. We had to go through residential areas in Singapore. We saw some non-touristy parts of Singapore. After we were done with the stationery shop, we went to a hawker center to get lunch. Hawker centers are unique to Singapore. They have a lot of shops that sell local food at cheap prices. It is similar to a food court. However, unlike the food courts in malls, hawker centers are open-air and can get quite hot.
Jewel Changi This is the hawker center we went to. Photo by Ravi Dwivedi. Released under the CC-BY-SA 4.0.
To have something, you just need to buy it from one of the shops and find a table. After you are done, you need to put your tray in the tray-collecting spots. I had a kaya toast with chai, since there weren t many vegetarian options. I also bought a persimmon from a nearby fruit vendor. On the other hand, Badri sampled some local non-vegetarian dishes.
A sign saying, 'No table littering, by law.' Table littering at the hawker center was prohibited by law. Photo by Ravi Dwivedi. Released under the CC-BY-SA 4.0.
Next, we took a metro to Raffles Place, as we wanted to visit Merlion, the icon of Singapore. It is a statue having the head of a lion and the body of a fish. While getting through the AFC gates, my card was declined. Therefore, I had to buy an EZ-Link card, which I had been avoiding because the card itself costs 5 Singapore dollars. From the Raffles Place metro station, we walked to Merlion. The place also gave a nice view of Marina Bay Sands. It was filled with tourists clicking pictures, and we also did the same.
Merlion from behind Merlion from behind, giving a good view of Marina Bay Sands. Photo by Ravi Dwivedi. Released under the CC-BY-SA 4.0.
After this, we went to the bus stop to catch our bus to the border city of Johor Bahru, Malaysia. The bus was more than an hour late, and we worried that we had missed the bus. I asked an Indian woman at the stop who also planned to take the same bus, and she told us that the bus was late. Finally, our bus arrived, and we set off for Johor Bahru. Before I finish, let me give you an idea of my expenditure. Singapore is an expensive country, and I realized that expenses could go up pretty quickly. Overall, my stay in Singapore for 3 days and 2 nights was approx. 5500 rupees. That too, when we stayed one night at Badri s aunt s place (so we didn t have to pay for accomodation for one of the nights) and didn t have to pay for a couple of meals. This amount doesn t include the ticket for the chess game, but includes the costs of getting there. If you are in Singapore, it is likely you will pay a visit to Sentosa Island anyway. Stay tuned for our experiences in Malaysia! Credits: Thanks to Dione, Sahil, Badri and Contrapunctus for reviewing the draft. Thanks to Bhe for spotting a duplicate sentence.

31 August 2025

Russell Coker: Links August 2025

Dimitri John Ledkov wrote an informative blog post about self encrypting disks and UEFI with Linux [1]. This Coffeezilla video highlights an interesting scam, run a broker for day traders and don t execute trades, just be the counterparty for every trade and rely on day traders losing [2]. First Sight is a Dust SciFi short film that s worthy of Black Mirror [3]. Apple published an interesting article about the operation of the Secure Enclave in iPhone, Mac, and all other significant Apple hardware [4]. Reese Waters made an amusing video about a conservative catfight that s going on, nice to see horrible people attacking each other [5]. Chengyuan Ma wrote an informative summary of the history of the Great Firewall of China [6]. The V2Ray proxy has a nice feature set! Interesting article about the JP Morgan Workplace Activity Data Utility (WADU) AI spyware system [7]. Corporate work is going to become even more horrible. Veritasium has a great video about the history of vulcanised rubber and the potential for significant problems if rubber leaf blight spreads to other countries [8]. Jalopnik has an interesting article about how Reagan killed the safest car ever built [9]. David Brin wrote an interesting article Tolkien Enemy of Progress about fiction that justifies autocratic rule [10].

19 July 2025

Jonathan Carter: DebConf25

The last two weeks I attended DebConf and DebCamp in Brest, France. Usually, I like to do a more detailed write-up of DebConf, but I was already quite burnt out when I got here, so I ll circle back to a few things that were important to me in later posts. In the meantime, thanks to everyone who made this DebConf possible, whether you volunteered for one task or were part of the organisation team. Also a special thanks to the wonderful sponsors who made this entire event possible! See you next year in Argentina!
Jellyfish taken during daytrip at aquarium.

Jellyfish, taken during daytrip at aquarium.

30 June 2025

Otto Kek l inen: Corporate best practices for upstream open source contributions

Featured image of post Corporate best practices for upstream open source contributions
This post is based on presentation given at the Validos annual members meeting on June 25th, 2025.
When I started getting into Linux and open source over 25 years ago, the majority of the software development in this area was done by academics and hobbyists. The number of companies participating in open source has since exploded in parallel with the growth of mobile and cloud software, the majority of which is built on top of open source. For example, Android powers most mobile phones today and is based on Linux. Almost all software used to operate large cloud provider data centers, such as AWS or Google, is either open source or made in-house by the cloud provider. Pretty much all companies, regardless of the industry, have been using open source software at least to some extent for years. However, the degree to which they collaborate with the upstream origins of the software varies. I encourage all companies in a technical industry to start contributing upstream. There are many benefits to having a good relationship with your upstream open source software vendors, both for the short term and especially for the long term. Moreover, with the rollout of CRA in EU in 2025-2027, the law will require software companies to contribute security fixes upstream to the open source projects their products use. To ensure the process is well managed, business-aligned and legally compliant, there are a few do s and don t do s that are important to be aware of.

Maintain your SBOMs For every piece of software, regardless of whether the code was done in-house, from an open source project, or a combination of these, every company needs to produce a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM). The SBOMs provide a standardized and interoperable way to track what software and which versions are used where, what software licenses apply, who holds the copyright of which component, which security fixes have been applied and so forth. A catalog of SBOMs, or equivalent, forms the backbone of software supply-chain management in corporations.

Identify your strategic upstream vendors The SBOMs are likely to reveal that for any piece of non-trivial software, there are hundreds or thousands of upstream open source projects in use. Few organizations have resources to contribute to all of their upstreams. If your organization is just starting to organize upstream contribution activities, identify the key projects that have the largest impact on your business and prioritize forming a relationship with them first. Organizations with a mature contribution process will be collaborating with tens or hundreds of upstreams.

Appoint an internal coordinator and champions Having a written policy on how to contribute upstream will help ensure a consistent process and avoid common pitfalls. However, a written policy alone does not automatically translate into a well-running process. It is highly recommended to appoint at least one internal coordinator who is knowledgeable about how open source communities work, how software licensing and patents work, and is senior enough to have a good sense of what business priorities to optimize for. In small organizations it can be a single person, while larger organizations typically have a full Open Source Programs Office. This coordinator should oversee the contribution process, track all contributions made across the organization, and further optimize the process by working with stakeholders across the business, including legal experts, business owners and CTOs. The marketing and recruiting folks should also be involved, as upstream contributions will have a reputation-building aspect as well, which can be enhanced with systematic tracking and publishing of activities. Additionally, at least in the beginning, the organization should also appoint key staff members as open source champions. Implementing a new process always includes some obstacles and occasional setbacks, which may discourage employees from putting in the extra effort to reap the full long-term benefits for the company. Having named champions will empower them to make the first few contributions themselves, setting a good example and encouraging and mentoring others to contribute upstream as well.

Avoid excessive approvals To maintain a high quality bar, it is always good to have all outgoing submissions reviewed by at least one or two people. Two or three pairs of eyeballs are significantly more likely to catch issues that might slip by someone working alone. The review also slows down the process by a day or two, which gives the author time to sleep on it , which usually helps to ensure the final submission is well-thought-out by the author. Do not require more than one or two reviewers. The marginal utility goes quickly to zero beyond a few reviewers, and at around four or five people the effect becomes negative, as the weight of each approval decreases and the reviewers begin to take less personal responsibility. Having too many people in the loop also makes each feedback round slow and expensive, to the extent that the author will hesitate to make updates and ask for re-reviews due to the costs involved. If the organization experiences setbacks due to mistakes slipping through the review process, do not respond by adding more reviewers, as it will just grind the contribution process to a halt. If there are quality concerns, invest in training for engineers, CI systems and perhaps an internal certification program for those making public upstream code submissions. A typical software engineer is more likely to seriously try to become proficient at their job and put effort into a one-off certification exam and then make multiple high-quality contributions, than it is for a low-skilled engineer to improve and even want to continue doing more upstream contributions if they are burdened by heavy review processes every time they try to submit an upstream contribution.

Don t expect upstream to accept all code contributions Sure, identifying the root cause of and fixing a tricky bug or writing a new feature requires significant effort. While an open source project will certainly appreciate the effort invested, it doesn t mean it will always welcome all contributions with open arms. Occasionally, the project won t agree that the code is correct or the feature is useful, and some contributions are bound to be rejected. You can minimize the chance of experiencing rejections by having a solid internal review process that includes assessing how the upstream community is likely to understand the proposal. Sometimes how things are communicated is more important than how they are coded. Polishing inline comments and git commit messages help ensure high-quality communication, along with a commitment to respond quickly to review feedback and conducting regular follow-ups until a contribution is finalized and accepted.

Start small to grow expertise and reputation In addition to keeping the open source contribution policy lean and nimble, it is also good to start practical contributions with small issues. Don t aim to contribute massive features until you have a track record of being able to make multiple small contributions. Keep in mind that not all open source projects are equal. Each has its own culture, written and unwritten rules, development process, documented requirements (which may be outdated) and more. Starting with a tiny contribution, even just a typo fix, is a good way to validate how code submissions, reviews and approvals work in a particular project. Once you have staff who have successfully landed smaller contributions, you can start planning larger proposals. The exact same proposal might be unsuccessful when proposed by a new person, and successful when proposed by a person who already has a reputation for prior high-quality work.

Embrace all and any publicity you get Some companies have concerns about their employees working in the open. Indeed, every email and code patch an employee submits, and all related discussions become public. This may initially sound scary, but is actually a potential source of good publicity. Employees need to be trained on how to conduct themselves publicly, and the discussions about code should contain only information strictly related to the code, without any references to actual production environments or other sensitive information. In the long run most employees contributing have a positive impact and the company should reap the benefits of positive publicity. If there are quality issues or employee judgment issues, hiding the activity or forcing employees to contribute with pseudonyms is not a proper solution. Instead, the problems should be addressed at the root, and bad behavior addressed rather than tolerated. When people are working publicly, there tends to also be some degree of additional pride involved, which motivates people to try their best. Contributions need to be public for the sponsoring corporation to later be able to claim copyright or licenses. Considering that thousands of companies participate in open source every day, the prevalence of bad publicity is quite low, and the benefits far exceed the risks.

Scratch your own itch When choosing what to contribute, select things that benefit your own company. This is not purely about being selfish - often people working on resolving a problem they suffer from are the same people with the best expertise of what the problem is and what kind of solution is optimal. Also, the issues that are most pressing to your company are more likely to be universally useful to solve than any random bug or feature request in the upstream project s issue tracker.

Remember there are many ways to help upstream While submitting code is often considered the primary way to contribute, please keep in mind there are also other highly impactful ways to contribute. Submitting high-quality bug reports will help developers quickly identify and prioritize issues to fix. Providing good research, benchmarks, statistics or feedback helps guide development and the project make better design decisions. Documentation, translations, organizing events and providing marketing support can help increase adoption and strengthen long-term viability for the project. In some of the largest open source projects there are already far more pending contributions than the core maintainers can process. Therefore, developers who contribute code should also get into the habit of contributing reviews. As Linus law states, given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow. Reviewing other contributors submissions will help improve quality, and also alleviate the pressure on core maintainers who are the only ones providing feedback. Reviewing code submitted by others is also a great learning opportunity for the reviewer. The reviewer does not need to be better than the submitter - any feedback is useful; merely posting review feedback is not the same thing as making an approval decision. Many projects are also happy to accept monetary support and sponsorships. Some offer specific perks in return. By human nature, the largest sponsors always get their voice heard in important decisions, as no open source project wants to take actions that scare away major financial contributors.

Starting is the hardest part Long-term success in open source comes from a positive feedback loop of an ever-increasing number of users and collaborators. As seen in the examples of countless corporations contributing open source, the benefits are concrete, and the process usually runs well after the initial ramp-up and organizational learning phase has passed. In open source ecosystems, contributing upstream should be as natural as paying vendors in any business. If you are using open source and not contributing at all, you likely have latent business risks without realizing it. You don t want to wake up one morning to learn that your top talent left because they were forbidden from participating in open source for the company s benefit, or that you were fined due to CRA violations and mismanagement in sharing security fixes with the correct parties. The faster you start with the process, the less likely those risks will materialize.

31 May 2025

Russell Coker: Links May 2025

Christopher Biggs gave an informative Evrything Open lecture about voice recognition [1]. We need this on Debian phones. Guido wrote an informative blog post about booting a custom Android kernel on a Pixel 3a [2]. Good work in writing this up, but a pity that Google made the process so difficult. Interesting to read about an expert being a victim of a phishing attack [3]. It can happen to anyone, everyone has moments when they aren t concentrating. Interesting advice on how to leak to a journalist [4]. Brian Krebs wrote an informative article about the ways that Trump is deliberately reducing the cyber security of the US government [5]. Brian Krebs wrote an interesting article about the main smishng groups from China [6]. Louis Rossmann (who is known for high quality YouTube videos about computer repair) made an informative video about a scammy Australian company run by a child sex offender [7]. The Helmover was one of the wildest engineering projects of WW2, an over the horizon guided torpedo that could one-shot a battleship [8]. Interesting blog post about DDoSecrets and the utter failure of the company Telemessages which was used by the US government [9]. Jonathan McDowell wrote an interesting blog post about developing a free software competitor to Alexa etc, the listening hardware costs $13US per node [10]. Noema Magazine published an insightful article about Rewilding the Internet, it has some great ideas [11].

29 May 2025

Arthur Diniz: Bringing Kubernetes Back to Debian

I ve been part of the Debian Project since 2019, when I attended DebConf held in Curitiba, Brazil. That event sparked my interest in the community, packaging, and how Debian works as a distribution. In the early years of my involvement, I contributed to various teams such as the Python, Golang and Cloud teams, packaging dependencies and maintaining various tools. However, I soon felt the need to focus on packaging software I truly enjoyed, tools I was passionate about using and maintaining. That s when I turned my attention to Kubernetes within Debian.

A Broken Ecosystem The Kubernetes packaging situation in Debian had been problematic for some time. Given its large codebase and complex dependency tree, the initial packaging approach involved vendorizing all dependencies. While this allowed a somewhat functional package to be published, it introduced several long-term issues, especially security concerns. Vendorized packages bundle third-party dependencies directly into the source tarball. When vulnerabilities arise in those dependencies, it becomes difficult for Debian s security team to patch and rebuild affected packages system-wide. This approach broke Debian s best practices, and it eventually led to the abandonment of the Kubernetes source package, which had stalled at version 1.20.5. Due to this abandonment, critical bugs emerged and the package was removed from Debian s testing channel, as we can see in the package tracker.

New Debian Kubernetes Team Around this time, I became a Debian Maintainer (DM), with permissions to upload certain packages. I saw an opportunity to both contribute more deeply to Debian and to fix Kubernetes packaging. In early 2024, just before DebConf Busan in South Korea, I founded the Debian Kubernetes Team. The mission of the team was to repackage Kubernetes in a maintainable, security-conscious, and Debian-compliant way. At DebConf, I shared our progress with the broader community and received great feedback and more visibility, along with people interested in contributing to the team. Our first tasks was to migrate existing Kubernetes-related tools such as kubectx, kubernetes-split-yaml and kubetail into a dedicated namespace on Salsa, Debian s GitLab instance. Many of these tools were stored across different teams (like the Go team), and consolidating them helped us organize development and focus our efforts.

De-vendorizing Kubernetes Our main goal was to un-vendorize Kubernetes and bring it up-to-date with upstream releases. This meant:
  • Removing the vendor directory and all embedded third-party code.
  • Trimming the build scope to focus solely on building kubectl, Kubernetes CLI.
  • Using Files-Excluded in debian/copyright to cleanly drop unneeded files during source imports.
  • Rebuilding the dependency tree, ensuring all Go modules were separately packaged in Debian.
We used uscan, a standard Debian packaging tool that fetches upstream tarballs and prepares them accordingly. The Files-Excluded directive in our debian/copyright file instructed uscan to automatically remove unnecessary files during the repackaging process:
$ uscan
Newest version of kubernetes on remote site is 1.32.3, specified download version is 1.32.3
Successfully repacked ../v1.32.3 as ../kubernetes_1.32.3+ds.orig.tar.gz, deleting 30616 files from it.
The results were dramatic. By comparing the original upstream tarball with our repackaged version, we can see that our approach reduced the tarball size by over 75%:
$ du -h upstream-v1.32.3.tar.gz kubernetes_1.32.3+ds.orig.tar.gz
14M	upstream-v1.32.3.tar.gz
3.2M	kubernetes_1.32.3+ds.orig.tar.gz
This significant reduction wasn t just about saving space. By removing over 30,000 files, we simplified the package, making it more maintainable. Each dependency could now be properly tracked, updated, and patched independently, resolving the security concerns that had plagued the previous packaging approach.

Dependency Graph To give you an idea of the complexity involved in packaging Kubernetes for Debian, the image below is a dependency graph generated with debtree, visualizing all the Go modules and other dependencies required to build the kubectl binary. kubectl-depgraph This web of nodes and edges represents every module and its relationship during the compilation process of kubectl. Each box is a Debian package, and the lines connecting them show how deeply intertwined the ecosystem is. What might look like a mess of blue spaghetti is actually a clear demonstration of the vast and interconnected upstream world that tools like kubectl rely on. But more importantly, this graph is a testament to the effort that went into making kubectl build entirely using Debian-packaged dependencies only, no vendoring, no downloading from the internet, no proprietary blobs.

Upstream Version 1.32.3 and Beyond After nearly two years of work, we successfully uploaded version 1.32.3+ds of kubectl to Debian unstable. kubernetes/-/merge_requests/1 The new package also includes:
  • Zsh, Fish, and Bash completions installed automatically
  • Man pages and metadata for improved discoverability
  • Full integration with kind and docker for testing purposes

Integration Testing with Autopkgtest To ensure the reliability of kubectl in real-world scenarios, we developed a new autopkgtest suite that runs integration tests using real Kubernetes clusters created via Kind. Autopkgtest is a Debian tool used to run automated tests on binary packages. These tests are executed after the package is built but before it s accepted into the Debian archive, helping catch regressions and integration issues early in the packaging pipeline. Our test workflow validates kubectl by performing the following steps:
  • Installing Kind and Docker as test dependencies.
  • Spinning up two local Kubernetes clusters.
  • Switching between cluster contexts to ensure multi-cluster support.
  • Deploying and scaling a sample nginx application using kubectl.
  • Cleaning up the entire test environment to avoid side effects.
  • debian/tests/kubectl.sh

Popcon: Measuring Adoption To measure real-world usage, we rely on data from Debian s popularity contest (popcon), which gives insight into how many users have each binary installed. popcon-graph popcon-table Here s what the data tells us:
  • kubectl (new binary): Already installed on 2,124 systems.
  • golang-k8s-kubectl-dev: This is the Go development package (a library), useful for other packages and developers who want to interact with Kubernetes programmatically.
  • kubernetes-client: The legacy package that kubectl is replacing. We expect this number to decrease in future releases as more systems transition to the new package.
Although the popcon data shows activity for kubectl before the official Debian upload date, it s important to note that those numbers represent users who had it installed from upstream source-lists, not from the Debian repositories. This distinction underscores a demand that existed even before the package was available in Debian proper, and it validates the importance of bringing it into the archive.
Also worth mentioning: this number is not the real total number of installations, since users can choose not to participate in the popularity contest. So the actual adoption is likely higher than what popcon reflects.

Community and Documentation The team also maintains a dedicated wiki page which documents:
  • Maintained tools and packages
  • Contribution guidelines
  • Our roadmap for the upcoming Debian releases
https://debian-kubernetes.org

Looking Ahead to Debian 13 (Trixie) The next stable release of Debian will ship with kubectl version 1.32.3, built from a clean, de-vendorized source. This version includes nearly all the latest upstream features, and will be the first time in years that Debian users can rely on an up-to-date, policy-compliant kubectl directly from the archive. By comparing with upstream, our Debian package even delivers more out of the box, including shell completions, which the upstream still requires users to generate manually. In 2025, the Debian Kubernetes team will continue expanding our packaging efforts for the Kubernetes ecosystem. Our roadmap includes:
  • kubelet: The primary node agent that runs on each node. This will enable Debian users to create fully functional Kubernetes nodes without relying on external packages.
  • kubeadm: A tool for creating Kubernetes clusters. With kubeadm in Debian, users will then be able to bootstrap minimum viable clusters directly from the official repositories.
  • helm: The package manager for Kubernetes that helps manage applications through Kubernetes YAML files defined as charts.
  • kompose: A conversion tool that helps users familiar with docker-compose move to Kubernetes by translating Docker Compose files into Kubernetes resources.

Final Thoughts This journey was only possible thanks to the amazing support of the debian-devel-br community and the collective effort of contributors who stepped up to package missing dependencies, fix bugs, and test new versions. Special thanks to:
  • Carlos Henrique Melara (@charles)
  • Guilherme Puida (@puida)
  • Jo o Pedro Nobrega (@jnpf)
  • Lucas Kanashiro (@kanashiro)
  • Matheus Polkorny (@polkorny)
  • Samuel Henrique (@samueloph)
  • Sergio Cipriano (@cipriano)
  • Sergio Durigan Junior (@sergiodj)
I look forward to continuing this work, bringing more Kubernetes tools into Debian and improving the developer experience for everyone.

Arthur Diniz: Bringing Kubernetes Back to Debian

I ve been part of the Debian Project since 2019, when I attended DebConf held in Curitiba, Brazil. That event sparked my interest in the community, packaging, and how Debian works as a distribution. In the early years of my involvement, I contributed to various teams such as the Python, Golang and Cloud teams, packaging dependencies and maintaining various tools. However, I soon felt the need to focus on packaging software I truly enjoyed, tools I was passionate about using and maintaining. That s when I turned my attention to Kubernetes within Debian.

A Broken Ecosystem The Kubernetes packaging situation in Debian had been problematic for some time. Given its large codebase and complex dependency tree, the initial packaging approach involved vendorizing all dependencies. While this allowed a somewhat functional package to be published, it introduced several long-term issues, especially security concerns. Vendorized packages bundle third-party dependencies directly into the source tarball. When vulnerabilities arise in those dependencies, it becomes difficult for Debian s security team to patch and rebuild affected packages system-wide. This approach broke Debian s best practices, and it eventually led to the abandonment of the Kubernetes source package, which had stalled at version 1.20.5. Due to this abandonment, critical bugs emerged and the package was removed from Debian s testing channel, as we can see in the package tracker.

New Debian Kubernetes Team Around this time, I became a Debian Maintainer (DM), with permissions to upload certain packages. I saw an opportunity to both contribute more deeply to Debian and to fix Kubernetes packaging. In early 2024, just before DebConf Busan in South Korea, I founded the Debian Kubernetes Team. The mission of the team was to repackage Kubernetes in a maintainable, security-conscious, and Debian-compliant way. At DebConf, I shared our progress with the broader community and received great feedback and more visibility, along with people interested in contributing to the team. Our first tasks was to migrate existing Kubernetes-related tools such as kubectx, kubernetes-split-yaml and kubetail into a dedicated namespace on Salsa, Debian s GitLab instance. Many of these tools were stored across different teams (like the Go team), and consolidating them helped us organize development and focus our efforts.

De-vendorizing Kubernetes Our main goal was to un-vendorize Kubernetes and bring it up-to-date with upstream releases. This meant:
  • Removing the vendor directory and all embedded third-party code.
  • Trimming the build scope to focus solely on building kubectl, Kubernetes CLI.
  • Using Files-Excluded in debian/copyright to cleanly drop unneeded files during source imports.
  • Rebuilding the dependency tree, ensuring all Go modules were separately packaged in Debian.
We used uscan, a standard Debian packaging tool that fetches upstream tarballs and prepares them accordingly. The Files-Excluded directive in our debian/copyright file instructed uscan to automatically remove unnecessary files during the repackaging process:
$ uscan
Newest version of kubernetes on remote site is 1.32.3, specified download version is 1.32.3
Successfully repacked ../v1.32.3 as ../kubernetes_1.32.3+ds.orig.tar.gz, deleting 30616 files from it.
The results were dramatic. By comparing the original upstream tarball with our repackaged version, we can see that our approach reduced the tarball size by over 75%:
$ du -h upstream-v1.32.3.tar.gz kubernetes_1.32.3+ds.orig.tar.gz
14M	upstream-v1.32.3.tar.gz
3.2M	kubernetes_1.32.3+ds.orig.tar.gz
This significant reduction wasn t just about saving space. By removing over 30,000 files, we simplified the package, making it more maintainable. Each dependency could now be properly tracked, updated, and patched independently, resolving the security concerns that had plagued the previous packaging approach.

Dependency Graph To give you an idea of the complexity involved in packaging Kubernetes for Debian, the image below is a dependency graph generated with debtree, visualizing all the Go modules and other dependencies required to build the kubectl binary. kubectl-depgraph This web of nodes and edges represents every module and its relationship during the compilation process of kubectl. Each box is a Debian package, and the lines connecting them show how deeply intertwined the ecosystem is. What might look like a mess of blue spaghetti is actually a clear demonstration of the vast and interconnected upstream world that tools like kubectl rely on. But more importantly, this graph is a testament to the effort that went into making kubectl build entirely using Debian-packaged dependencies only, no vendoring, no downloading from the internet, no proprietary blobs.

Upstream Version 1.32.3 and Beyond After nearly two years of work, we successfully uploaded version 1.32.3+ds of kubectl to Debian unstable. kubernetes/-/merge_requests/1 The new package also includes:
  • Zsh, Fish, and Bash completions installed automatically
  • Man pages and metadata for improved discoverability
  • Full integration with kind and docker for testing purposes

Integration Testing with Autopkgtest To ensure the reliability of kubectl in real-world scenarios, we developed a new autopkgtest suite that runs integration tests using real Kubernetes clusters created via Kind. Autopkgtest is a Debian tool used to run automated tests on binary packages. These tests are executed after the package is built but before it s accepted into the Debian archive, helping catch regressions and integration issues early in the packaging pipeline. Our test workflow validates kubectl by performing the following steps:
  • Installing Kind and Docker as test dependencies.
  • Spinning up two local Kubernetes clusters.
  • Switching between cluster contexts to ensure multi-cluster support.
  • Deploying and scaling a sample nginx application using kubectl.
  • Cleaning up the entire test environment to avoid side effects.
  • debian/tests/kubectl.sh

Popcon: Measuring Adoption To measure real-world usage, we rely on data from Debian s popularity contest (popcon), which gives insight into how many users have each binary installed. popcon-graph popcon-table Here s what the data tells us:
  • kubectl (new binary): Already installed on 2,124 systems.
  • golang-k8s-kubectl-dev: This is the Go development package (a library), useful for other packages and developers who want to interact with Kubernetes programmatically.
  • kubernetes-client: The legacy package that kubectl is replacing. We expect this number to decrease in future releases as more systems transition to the new package.
Although the popcon data shows activity for kubectl before the official Debian upload date, it s important to note that those numbers represent users who had it installed from upstream source-lists, not from the Debian repositories. This distinction underscores a demand that existed even before the package was available in Debian proper, and it validates the importance of bringing it into the archive.
Also worth mentioning: this number is not the real total number of installations, since users can choose not to participate in the popularity contest. So the actual adoption is likely higher than what popcon reflects.

Community and Documentation The team also maintains a dedicated wiki page which documents:
  • Maintained tools and packages
  • Contribution guidelines
  • Our roadmap for the upcoming Debian releases
https://debian-kubernetes.org

Looking Ahead to Debian 13 (Trixie) The next stable release of Debian will ship with kubectl version 1.32.3, built from a clean, de-vendorized source. This version includes nearly all the latest upstream features, and will be the first time in years that Debian users can rely on an up-to-date, policy-compliant kubectl directly from the archive. By comparing with upstream, our Debian package even delivers more out of the box, including shell completions, which the upstream still requires users to generate manually. In 2025, the Debian Kubernetes team will continue expanding our packaging efforts for the Kubernetes ecosystem. Our roadmap includes:
  • kubelet: The primary node agent that runs on each node. This will enable Debian users to create fully functional Kubernetes nodes without relying on external packages.
  • kubeadm: A tool for creating Kubernetes clusters. With kubeadm in Debian, users will then be able to bootstrap minimum viable clusters directly from the official repositories.
  • helm: The package manager for Kubernetes that helps manage applications through Kubernetes YAML files defined as charts.
  • kompose: A conversion tool that helps users familiar with docker-compose move to Kubernetes by translating Docker Compose files into Kubernetes resources.

Final Thoughts This journey was only possible thanks to the amazing support of the debian-devel-br community and the collective effort of contributors who stepped up to package missing dependencies, fix bugs, and test new versions. Special thanks to:
  • Carlos Henrique Melara (@charles)
  • Guilherme Puida (@puida)
  • Jo o Pedro Nobrega (@jnpf)
  • Lucas Kanashiro (@kanashiro)
  • Matheus Polkorny (@polkorny)
  • Samuel Henrique (@samueloph)
  • Sergio Cipriano (@cipriano)
  • Sergio Durigan Junior (@sergiodj)
I look forward to continuing this work, bringing more Kubernetes tools into Debian and improving the developer experience for everyone.

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