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4 March 2006

Michael Banck: 3 Mar 2006

FOSDEM 2006 This year, the days before FOSDEM were the stressful ones, as I got to organize accomodation. Initially, we wanted to have similar appartments as last year, but by the time I was less busy at uni to actually look into it, most of them were already booked, so we had to put up with a youth hostel instead. The positive sides of this were the much lower expenses and a location in the city centre, making us actually look at Bruxelles a bit in detail this time. "Us" were the Hurd people, including Martin "earliest Hurd adopter present" Michlmayr. I got to FOSDEM by car again, picking up Marcus Brinkmann, Neal Walfield and Olaf Buddenhagen on the way in Cologne. Finding the youth hostel seemed to be pretty hard as we just had a street address and a map without street names, but we managed to find it pretty quickly to my great surprise (driving around in Bruxelles usually ended up being a complete disaster over the last years). After a strange encounter with a Guillem Jover lookalike in front of the hostel, we met the other guys (Thomas Schwinge, Marco Gerards, Stefan Siegl and Ognyan Kulev) and had a discussion about Neal's and Marcus' plan to move to a persistent system. After dinner, I met the other Debian people in the Roi d'Espagne and hat some longer chats with Jeroen van Wolffelaar, Rob Bradford, Martin Michlmayr and Jordi Mallach, who I finally met for the first time and who did not cop out of FOSDEM this year as usual... The pub is getting more and more crowded each year, all the hackers barely fit even though they opened the balustrade this time as well. It was great to see everybody again and have a few beers. Martin and I then managed to find the way back to the hostel by foot. We had no developer room, and no talks in the Debian room either, so FOSDEM was a pretty relaxed event this year. I met some more familiar faces like Noel Koethe and Andreas Mueller and listened to a couple of talks, most notably Richard Stallman's and Jeff Waugh's keynotes and Hanna Wallach's talk about FLOSSPOLS. Stefan Siegl also managed to get GNU Mach working for both my 3Com PCMCIA NIC and my Orinoco PCMCIA WLAN card, confirming his title as Hurd "hacker of the month". On Saturday evening, we (at this time, Guillem Jover, Gianluca Guida, Bas Wijnen and Jeroen Dekkers had joined) had dinner with the french Hurd guys (Manuel Menal, Marc Dequenes, Richard Braun, Arnaud Fontaine and others) in an italian restaurant. At 10:40 PM, the waiter told us in a rather unfriendly tone that they would close at 11 and presented us with the bill, along with handing out the menu again so that we could look up our share. By the time the bill arrived the french part of the table (at 10:55 PM), the guys were pretty surprised by this whole business and complained loudly that they did not have a dessert yet and insistent on having one. After some more minutes of discussion, the waiter gave in and served their desserts, after which each of them paid his share with his carte bleue. I believe we left the restaurant around 11:30. On Sunday evening, we had dinner again (the french guys had left Bruxelles already) and then drove back to Germany after having desserts and coffee in a bar. We left Bruxelles at around midnight and arrived in Duesseldorf at 2:30 PM, so we were glad that Neal offered us to stay at his place. We had breakfast the next morning with him and Isabel and then I proceeded to drive back to Frankfurt in the early afternoon. FOSDEM rocked, as usual. After being with the Debian crowd for the first three years or so, and mostly sticking with the Hurd crowd last year, I think I managed a pretty good balance between the two this year. This will not have been my last FOSDEM.

2 March 2006

Simon Richter: Why I want half a DPL

So, I guess it's my turn to comment the election now. My favourite candidate this year is Ari. He and Bill are pretty likely to be the only candidates above NOTA, with Andreas having a good chance if I like his platform. Both Jeroen and aj are out for me because they plan to use the DPL post as a place to set projectwide policies that are controversial at best; IMO those policies have not gathered enough consensus that they should be instituted from "above". About the same goes for Steve, while I generally attribute him the necessary common sense not to do anything stupid on that post, his platform promises otherwise. :-( This reduces the available options to Bill and Ari, so far. I prefer Ari mostly because he's more visible on IRC and I would think that he simply has a pretty good understanding of what is going on in the project. Finally, the litmus test for each candidate for me is "in the main auditorium at FISL, would I trust the candidate to represent Debian in the way I would like the project to be seen there?"

28 February 2006

Clint Adams: Why NoTA is getting ranked first this year

Jeroen van Wifflepuck There are compromising pictures of this guy in carnal embrace with windmills. These could be very embarrassing if leaked to the press. We can't have a DPL that will embarrass us. We just can't.
R.E. Jacks In Pollack This guy is beholden to marmots. Lots and lots of marmots. Do you really want to empower a marmot rampage?
Uncle Steve Charging money for T-shirts? What happened to the gift economy? All clothing should be FREE! Where's the love?
Tony Bob Towns This guy can't decide whether or not his last name is Town or Town'S. Can you really trust someone who changes his name so casually? I don't think so.
Andreas Schuldei He and Ari are part of the same marmot cabal. If you can't trust one, can you trust the other?
Yonah ( ) Walth re Quite, simply, this, guy, is, employed, by, canonical.org, to, make, us, all, look, silly. Vive le Rock. P.S., I think the syphilis is worsening.
Bill Allombert Did the Debian menu in ion3 become less fun to use? I blame this guy for some reason.

Aigars Mahinovs: DPL platform runthrough

I think more people should just publish their thoughts about platforms of our DPL candidates so that we can have more visibility and insight (and a reason to actually read those platform statements). Thanks go to MJRay for the idea, however I will try to be a bit more biased so that this post conveys more of my opinions then just a plain summary of the platforms.
Jeroen van Wolffelaar
  • ftp-team for a year, looks good
  • dpl-team as a good idea, wants team decisions to take less responsibility on his own. Might be wise, but could be un-leaderish.
  • pushes for smooth communication, I am not sure how that will work out - smooth communication means sanding off the edges, but we all know that the best development is always on the edge.
  • pushes for code of conduct. While the idea might be quite popular it also states that bad behavior in our community is becoming so widespread that a special code is needed to compensate for that. I do not feel that we are at such a bad state now - more flamewars are raised about the code of conduct then about the conduct itself. I feel this is were simple and decisive action by the DPL should be done and not a birocratic procedure to spread the blame of failure.
  • "insider reports" - good idea, like an internal Debian News Station (see Howard 100 News)
  • encouraging wiki, forums and IRC as official channels of external communication. Several questions arise here: as a user with specific question - where must I go? to which media? to which list, channel or forum category? It must not be too complex. Also there is the question of spreading knowledgeable users and developers too thin across multiple channels of voluntary support.
  • infrastructure transparency - good, but how? even tiny bits of paperwork there can slow the whole project to a crawl.
  • mediator in flamewar situations - good, DPL should be doing that.
  • media coverage - does Debian need more media coverage? I do not think so. I do believe that we need more coverage in more professional circles (even if in circles of professional psychiatrists) to attract more developers and make them understand us better, but I do not feel that attracting huge crowds of general public would do much good for the project.
  • in my opinion team players make mediocre leaders
Five word summary: transparent, wide, smooth, mediative, consensus
Ari Pollak
  • whoa ... pictures, so sweet :)
  • humor, so much needed in our project
  • good point about half-DPL - it would be nice to have DPL delegate as much as they possibly can but be strict and easy with what is left
  • Debian Police - sounds like a good substitute for Project Scud and the Finnish Inquisition :D
  • good take on licences, however I would add to the Gnocchi licence the phrase "And you must remove any copies of this licence from your memory as soon as you have finished reading it." That will show them lawyers ...
Five word summary: humor, half-*, police, anti-legalese, illustrations
Steve McIntyre
  • got in cheap, but a long time ago
  • The CD dude!
  • not much new on internal communication, same old "will tell you even that I not doing anything"
  • same stuff about the code of conduct, see above.
  • social skill test within NM. Good idea, but not a good implementation - you will not get much social conditioning with mentoring inside teams. We need someone to get on the candidate and roast them good - test their asbestos suits. After he has made a package, schedule for time and either call the newbie or IRC with him. Grill him about his package. Must sure to slide into personal insults, religion bashing and political discourses. Watch the response. Evaluate. Post audio online :)
  • open cabalish developments - there is little to be done beyond talking to cabal and making sure all semi-private developments use public Debian infrastructure for communication - draft on wiki and develop in svn, so that everyone can see.
  • very good points about professionalism. we must be able to be proud about Debian and demand some level of standards from packages inside Debian. The idea of regular DD reexamination might be a very good fit here, see below.
  • Steve looks like a good organizer to me
  • however he might be a bit too soft on leadership or simply too diplomatically inclined in his platform statement
Five word summary: professionalism, standards, MIA, tests, communication
Anthony Towns
  • not wanting to win too much
  • speed up! - release early, release often. Sounds good for the everyday processes, but not for The Release. I still want to see Debian as The Most Stable thing ever.
  • recruiting - I would ask, recruit for what? People can not just get into the interesting parts of the project and recruiting for general run of the mill development does not sound too engaging to me. You'd better make a contest for new security team members or new ftp masters or any other position that one person or only a few persons hold now. Have clear requirements and tests and actually get those people into doing those critical jobs. After that we can think about ...
  • ... compulsory turnover. Now there is a good idea that I'd like other DPLs to consider, but only with in conjunction with the previous one. We might not need full rotation, but we could have a rotating ftp team leader post that would iterate among ftp team members. That would alleviate the "hit by a bus" problem a bit more.
  • DPL as a discussion and direction leader is quite a nice and needed idea in my opinion.
  • I do not agree with aj about compulsory kindness and the general idea of expulsion on social grounds. Currently it creates more problems then it could solve in a lifetime.
  • Congrats on declassification thing, historians will surely thank us for that.
  • nice legal disclaimer, I like those kind of things :)
Five word summary: continuity, tempo, newbies, direction, bling
Andreas Schuldei Not online, to be put here when it appears.
Jonathan (Ted) Walther
  • photo, nice touch.
  • speak your mind. sound essential to a DPL.
  • Ubuntu good. Good.
  • Make love (and code) and not Desktop. Let Ubuntu make Desktop if they want to.
  • We all are strange people, face it.
  • Kicking people out is more harm to the project then those people could ever do.
  • Kicking fun out of Debian.
  • Great points about improving NM process and worshiping James Troup - I fully agree.
  • The best idea here - recertification of all Debian Developers every X years (where X is proposed to be 3 currently). This will almost automatically solve many problems we have in Debian: NM frustration, MIA developers, standards of professionalism, reiteration of best practices, social reshuffling.
Five word summary: Here, goes, my, vote, period. Alternate summary: geek, love, tolerate, recertification, statue.
Bill Allombert
  • math Ph.D. and researcher.
  • wanted to vot for Lars, but as he stepped down saw no one else good enough, so put himself forward. brave words. I like Lars too, bet it's not like we do not have good candidates this year besides him.
  • summary on effect of voluntarism and respectful communication. Quite plain if you ask me. Got me a bit bored there. Not a good sign.
  • think globally
  • assist others
  • help Debian specific software
  • observers - sounds like that Debian Action News Team minus all the fun.
  • "I am very patient" - be patient when reading and enthusiastic while writing, otherwise people might not read patiently
Five word summary: filler, communicate, more filler, patience I hope this summary gave someone as much food for thought as it did for me. My favorite is very clear, but can you guess who is my second choice? Leave a comment and let me know what you think :)

MJ Ray: How I read the DPL 2006 platforms

Bill Allombert
  • Lars Wirzenius had denominated himself
  • fully volunteer project implications
  • some rules for better communications
  • mediate
  • consider the distribution globally
  • "assistant" projects, Debian-specific projects
  • neutral observers
Jonathan (Ted) Walther
  • unpopular
  • GIANT ROBOTS sex JET PACKS sex CITIES ON THE MOON sex SPACE COLONIES sex FLYING CARS beer
  • Most of us are disfunctional in various ways
  • if a person tries to get another person kicked out of the Debian project, and they fail, they themselves will be kicked out. wiki
  • developers who didn't go through NM to go through it within the next year. From that point on, every developer would be required to renew their membership every three years, similar to drivers licenses [MJR: not English driving licences, it's not]
  • honor James Troup
Andreas Schuldei
  • not found on this server
Anthony Towns
  • a leadership hat
  • increasing its tempo
  • DPL and others actively and visibly recruit people on an ongoing basis
  • raise topics for discussion, and help guide them through
  • Gratuitous Song Parody
  • [seems to see the arbitrary expulsion and ban procedures as good developments?]
  • [title claims to be Ari Pollak's platform :) This is a good thing, will win votes.]
Steve McIntyre
  • [officer of the trader called "Debian-UK"]
  • regular status updates
  • agree a Debian code of conduct
  • more NM training can/should happen more within teams
  • more open discussion will happen naturally
  • Professionalism [(!) why not think of the children, too?]
  • detect [MIA] more quickly and more easily
Ari Pollak
  • half-joke candidate
  • half-DPL
  • Team Ari: Debian Police
  • who needs such complicated licenses, anyway?
Jeroen van Wolffelaar
  • DPL team
  • adoption of a code of conduct
  • insider reports
  • more use of the official wiki
  • Increase transparency of infrastructure teams
  • mediator/ombudsman ... team like the tech-ctte
  • actively approach the press
The above are in the reverse of the vote page order, in case you were wondering. I've not worked out my preference yet. Let's see what happens.

Lars Wirzenius: Travel report: FOSDEM 2006

I went to FOSDEM in Brussels for the weekend. I had a great time. Some scattered notes:

26 February 2006

Wouter Verhelst: FOSDEM after saturday

This year's FOSDEM is a success again. Well, at least the Debian side of things—I wouldn't call the network a 'success' this year. But, well; they do their best, I'm sure. For me, personally, the weekend has also been a bit less of a success. On the early bird's meeting at the Roi d'Espagne, on Friday Night, I overdid it on my voice a bit; the result is that my voice was declining all the time on Saturday, until all I could do was barely something more than a whisper. I'm afraid today isn't going to be any better—on the contrary. I think I'll have to find someone else to moderate the talks at FOSDEM. I myself don't have the ability anymore in my current state. Volunteers to do this, please talk to me when you see me. But, like I said, the Debian side of things is doing quite well. Frans Pop set up a babelbox installer demo, which seems to be a success. There are T-shirts and other things being sold at the booth, and they are rather popular, I understand. And the three talks we've seen yesterday—Jeroen van Wolffelaar and Enrico Zini about Project SCUD, Martin F. Krafft about his Ph.D thesis, and Lars Wirzenius about piuparts (sorry, the Finnish Inquisition) were rather successful, with lotsa people attending. Especially Lars' talk. But it's time to go now. On to another exiting day of FOSDEM! hmm, that was a lame sentence. Let's try again. But it's time to go now. Oh, and did I mention that Lars' talk was great? Funny, informative, to the point. Just the way a talk should be. See you in a few hours.

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