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18 July 2025

David Bremner: Hibernate on the pocket reform 8/n

Context

Sidequest: Fix patches continued
  • 1001-pci_dw_rockchip_enable_l0s_capability.patch doesn't apply cleanly either
  • b4 am 1744594051-209255-1-git-send-email-shawn.lin@rock-chips.com
  • This one has a usable blob index 21dc99c
  • git log --raw --all --find-object=21dc99c finds the patch already applied as 198e69cc4150aba1e7af740a2111ace6a267779e
  • 1002-v2-media_verisilicon_fix_av1_decoder_clock_frequency.patch applies cleanly

Build kernel with backported patches Back following the upstream bisect instructions from reform-debian-packages/README.md
$  apt-get install git gpg gpgv build-essential bc rsync kmod cpio bison flex libelf-dev libssl-dev debhelper libdw-dev
$ cp /boot/config-6.15.4-mnt-reform-arm64 .config
$ make olddefconfig
$ yes ''   make localmodconfig
$ make KBUILD_IMAGE=arch/arm64/boot/Image bindeb-pkg -j$(nproc)
One thing not documented there is that you need the pocket-reform dtb as well. Copy that file from reform-debian-packages, and update the relevant Makefile.
diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/Makefile b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/Makefile
index 26533be1dd86..83ef850cd113 100644
--- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/Makefile
+++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/Makefile
@@ -163,6 +163,7 @@ dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-h96-max-v58.dtb
 dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-jaguar.dtb
 dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-jaguar-pre-ict-tester.dtbo
 dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-mnt-reform2.dtb
+dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dtb
 dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-nanopc-t6.dtb
 dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-nanopc-t6-lts.dtb
 dtb-$(CONFIG_ARCH_ROCKCHIP) += rk3588-ok3588-c.dtb
diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dts b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dts
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..81533cedc200
  • With these changes I can boot in to 6.16~rc6, and log in the serial console, but the LCD display seems blank (but with some backlight power). That is probably related to the following warnings from device tree compilation
DTC     arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dtb
arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dts:1020.3-13: Warning (reg_format): /dsi@fde30000/panel:reg: property has invalid length (4 bytes) (#address-cells == 2, #size-cells == 1)
arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dtb: Warning (pci_device_reg): Failed prerequisite 'reg_format'
arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dtb: Warning (pci_device_bus_num): Failed prerequisite 'reg_format'
arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dtb: Warning (i2c_bus_reg): Failed prerequisite 'reg_format'
arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dtb: Warning (spi_bus_reg): Failed prerequisite 'reg_format'
arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dts:1018.8-1033.4: Warning (avoid_default_addr_size): /dsi@fde30000/panel: Relying on default #address-cells value
arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-mnt-pocket-reform.dts:1018.8-1033.4: Warning (avoid_default_addr_size): /dsi@fde30000/panel: Relying on default #size-cells value
  • The current source is on https://salsa.debian.org/bremner/collabora-rockchip-3588 The branch "reform-patches" is subject to rebase (and may make your computer explode).
  • For now I'm blocked on the panel, I suspect the dts file needs an update.
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17 July 2025

Birger Schacht: My first tag2upload upload

Following the DebConf25 talk by Ian Jackson tag2upload - upload simply by pushing a signed git tag I decided to use the quiet time during the day of the DayTrip on DebConf 25 to try out uploading a package using tag2upload. Given the current freeze a couple of the packages I maintainer have new releases waiting. I decided on uploading the new version of labwc to experimental. Labwc is a Wayland compositor based on the wlroots compositor library (the library that sway is using). Labwc is inspired by the Openbox window manager. The upstream team of Labwc released version 0.9.0 last week, the first version that is based on wlroots 0.19.x. Wlroots 0.19.x is also only available in experimental, so that was a good fit for trying an upload with tag2upload. I first used my usual workflow, going into my package repository, doing get fetch origin, checking out the tag of the new release and tagging that with git tag upstream/0.9.0. Then I bumped the version in the debian/experimental branch, adapted the debian/control file for the changed wlroots dependency, committed and built the package using git-buildpackage to check if it builds fine and there are no lintian errors. Then I moved on to look at tag2upload. As a starting point for using tag2upload I read the blogpost by Jonathan Carter My first tag2upload upload. It pointed me to one very important option of git debpush, namely the --baredebian option which I have to use because I use the bare Debian git layout. Given that the last upload of labwc I did was to unstable, I also had to add the --force=changed-suite. I also started right away to use the --tag-only option, because for my first tests I only wanted to have local changes and nothing pushed to anywhere. I also used the --dry-run option. This led to the following command:
> git debpush --baredebian --force=changed-suite --dry-run --tag-only
tags 0.9.0, upstream/0.9.0 all exist in this repository
tell me which one you want to make an orig.tar from: git deborig --just-print '--version=0.9.0-1' TAG
git-debpush: git-deborig failed; maybe try git-debpush --upstream=TAG
This was a bit confusing, because the error message talked about git-deborig, but I was using git-debpush. I also did not want to make an orig.tar! The --upstream option in the git-debpush(1) manual gave an explanation for this:
When pushing a non-native package, git-debpush needs a tag for the upstream part of your package. By default git-debpush asks git-deborig(1), which searches for a suitable tag based on the upstream version in debian/changelog.
So apparently git-debpush can not find out what the correct tag for the upstream version is, because git-deborig can not find out what the correct tag for the upstream version is. git-debpush simply calls git deborig --just-print --version="$version" in line 437. This fails because I initially created a second upstream/0.9.0 to the existing 0.9.0 release tag. I do this for git-buildpackage to find the upstream sources, but with multiple tags git-deborig is not sure which one is the tag it should use (although both point to the same commit). So I removed the upstream/0.9.0 tag and ran git debpush again and now there was no error message (besides the warning regarding the changed suite) but it also did not give an feedback about what is happening. So I tried without the --dry-run option. Again, no output whatsoever, other than the warning about the changed release, BUT my gnupg asked me for permission to sign via my yubikey! And when I looked at the list of tags, I saw that there is now a debian/0.9.0-1 tag that was not there before! Looking at the tag I saw that it was a tag in the format described in the tag2upload(5) manual page, containing the following lines:
labwc release 0.9.0-1 for experimental
[dgit distro=debian split --quilt=baredebian]
[dgit please-upload source=labwc version=0.9.0-1 upstream-tag=0.9.0 upstream=4beee3851f75b53afc2e8699c594c0cc222115bd]
and the tag was signed by me. The 4beee3851f75b53afc2e8699c594c0cc222115bd commit ID is the commit the 0.9.0 tag points to. Now that I had a signed commit tag in the correct format, I went to the labwc packaging repository on salsa and enabled the webhook to trigger the tag2upload service (I just saw that the documentation was updated and there is now a global webhook on salsa, so this step is not needed anymore). Finally I pushed the tags using git push --tags. I could also have used git-debpush for this step, but I d rather use git directly. I then looked at the tag2upload queue and saw how a worker built and uploaded the newest labwc release and I also got an email from the tag2upload service [tag2upload 275] uploaded labwc 0.9.0-1. And a couple of minutes later I got the confirmation that labwc 0.9.0-1 was accepted into experimental. Great! So, to conclude: for tag2upload to work we simply need a git tag in the correct format. The tag2upload service now gets triggered by every pushed tag on salsa but only acts on tags that adhere to the tag2upload(5) format. git-debpush is a simply bash script that creates such a tag and by default also pushes the tag. I think the script could be a bit more verbose, for example telling me that it created a tag and the name of that tag. I think the dependency on git-deborig is also a problem. I use git-buildpackage to build my packages and by default git-buildpacakge assumes upstream tags are of the form upstream/%(version)s (source). I could now change that for all the packages I maintain, but I also think it makes sense to control the tag myself and not use a tag that is controlled by upstream. Upstream could change or delete that tag or I might need to create a tag for a version that is not tagged by upstream. I also think git-debpush is a rather mileading command name, given that the main task of the script is to create a tag in the correct format. Other than that, I m pretty happy about this service. I have a rather crappy uplink at home and it is not so uncommon for my uploads to fail because the connection dropped during dput. Using a simple git based upload approach makes these problems a thing of the past. I might look into other ways to create the needed tag, though.

Arnaud Rebillout: Acquire-By-Hash for APT packages repositories, and the lack of it in Kali Linux

This is a lenghty blog post. It features a long introduction that explains how apt update acquires various files from a package repository, what is Acquire-By-Hash, and how it all works for Kali Linux: a Debian-based distro that doesn't support Acquire-By-Hash, and which is distributed via a network of mirrors and a redirector. In a second part, I explore some "Hash Sum Mismatch" errors that we can hit with Kali Linux, errors that would not happen if only Acquire-By-Hash was supported. If anything, this blog post supports the case for adding Acquire-By-Hash support in reprepro, as requested at https://bugs.debian.org/820660. All of this could have just remained some personal notes for myself, but I got carried away and turned it into a blog post, dunno why... Hopefully others will find it interesting, but you really need to like troubleshooting stories, packed with details, and poorly written at that. You've been warned! Introducing Acquire-By-Hash Acquire-By-Hash is a feature of APT package repositories, that might or might not be supported by your favorite Debian-based distribution. A repository that supports it says so, in the Release file, by setting the field Acquire-By-Hash: yes. It's easy to check. Debian and Ubuntu both support it:
$ wget -qO- http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:
Acquire-By-Hash: yes
$ wget -qO- http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:
Acquire-By-Hash: yes
What about other Debian derivatives?
$ wget -qO- http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
$ wget -qO- https://archive.raspberrypi.com/debian/dists/trixie/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
$ wget -qO- http://packages.linuxmint.com/dists/faye/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
$ wget -qO- https://apt.pop-os.org/release/dists/noble/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
Huhu, Acquire-By-Hash is not ubiquitous. But wait, what is Acquire-By-Hash to start with? To answer that, we have to take a step back and cover some basics first. The HTTP requests performed by 'apt update' What happens when one runs apt update? APT first requests the Release file from the repository(ies) configured in the APT sources. This file is a starting point, it contains a list of other files (sometimes called "Index files") that are available in the repository, along with their hashes. After fetching the Release file, APT proceeds to request those Index files. To give you an idea, there are many kinds of Index files, among which: There's an excellent Wiki page that details the structure of a Debian package repository, it's there: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format. Note that APT doesn't necessarily download ALL of those Index files. For simplicity, we'll limit ourselves to the minimal scenario, where apt update downloads only the Packages files. Let's try to make it more visual: here's a representation of a apt update transaction, assuming that all the components of the repository are enabled:
apt update -> Release -> Packages (main/amd64)
                      -> Packages (contrib/amd64)
                      -> Packages (non-free/amd64)
                      -> Packages (non-free-firmware/amd64)
Meaning that, in a first step, APT downloads the Release file, reads its content, and then in a second step it downloads the Index files in parallel. You can actually see that happen with a command such as apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1 grep ^GET. For Kali Linux you'll see something pretty similar to what I described above. Try it!
$ podman run --rm kali-rolling apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep ^GET
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease HTTP/1.1    # <- returns a redirect, that is why the file is requested twice
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
However, and it's now becoming interesting, for Debian or Ubuntu you won't see the same kind of URLs:
$ podman run --rm debian:sid apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep ^GET
GET /debian/dists/sid/InRelease HTTP/1.1
GET /debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/22709f0ce67e5e0a33a6e6e64d96a83805903a3376e042c83d64886bb555a9c3 HTTP/1.1
APT doesn't download a file named Packages, instead it fetches a file named after a hash. Why? This is due to the field Acquire-By-Hash: yes that is present in the Debian's Release file. What does Acquire-By-Hash mean for 'apt update' The idea with Acquire-By-Hash is that the Index files are named after their hash on the repository, so if the MD5 sum of main/binary-amd64/Packages is 77b2c1539f816832e2d762adb20a2bb1, then the file will be stored at main/binary-amd64/by-hash/MD5Sum/77b2c1539f816832e2d762adb20a2bb1. The path main/binary-amd64/Packages still exists (it's the "Canonical Location" of this particular Index file), but APT won't use it, instead it downloads the file located in the by-hash/ directory. Why does it matter? This has to do with repository updates, and allowing the package repository to be updated atomically, without interruption of service, and without risk of failure client-side. It's important to understand that the Release file and the Index files are part of a whole, a set of files that go altogether, given that Index files are validated by their hash (as listed in the Release file) after download by APT. If those files are simply named "Release" and "Packages", it means they are not immutable: when the repository is updated, all of those files are updated "in place". And it causes problems. A typical failure mode for the client, during a repository update, is that: 1) APT requests the Release file, then 2) the repository is updated and finally 3) APT requests the Packages files, but their checksum don't match, causing apt update to fail. There are variations of this error, but you get the idea: updating a set of files "in place" is problematic. The Acquire-By-Hash mechanism was introduced exactly to solve this problem: now the Index files have a unique, immutable name. When the repository is updated, at first new Index files are added in the by-hash/ directory, and only after the Release file is updated. Old Index files in by-hash/ are retained for a while, so there's a grace period during which both the old and the new Release files are valid and working: the Index files that they refer to are available in the repo. As a result: no interruption of service, no failure client-side during repository updates. This is explained in more details at https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/no-more-hash-sum-mismatch-errors.html, which is the blog post from Colin Watson that came out at the time Acquire-By-Hash was introduced in... 2016. This is still an excellent read in 2025. So you might be wondering why I'm rambling about a problem that's been solved 10 years ago, but then as I've shown in the introduction, the problem is not solved for everyone. Support for Acquire-By-Hash server side is not for granted, and unfortunately it never landed in reprepro, as one can see at https://bugs.debian.org/820660. reprepro is a popular tool for creating APT package repositories. In particular, at Kali Linux we use reprepro, and that's why there's no Acquire-By-Hash: yes in the Kali Release file. As one can guess, it leads to subtle issues during those moments when the repository is updated. However... we're not ready to talk about that yet! There's still another topic that we need to cover: this window of time during which a repository is being updated, and during which apt update might fail. The window for Hash Sum Mismatches, and the APT trick that saves the day Pay attention! In this section, we're now talking about packages repositories that do NOT support Acquire-By-Hash, such as the Kali Linux repository. As I've said above, it's only when the repository is being updated that there is a "Hash Sum Mismatch Window", ie. a moment when apt update might fail for some unlucky clients, due to invalid Index files. Surely, it's a very very short window of time, right? I mean, it can't take that long to update files on a server, especially when you know that a repository is usually updated via rsync, and rsync goes to great length to update files the most atomically as it can (with the option --delay=updates). So if apt update fails for me, I've been very unlucky, but I can just retry in a few seconds and it should be fixed, isn't it? The answer is: it's not that simple. So far I pictured the "package repository" as a single server, for simplicity. But it's not always what it is. For Kali Linux, by default users have http.kali.org configured in their APT sources, and it is a redirector, ie. a web server that redirects requests to mirrors that are nearby the client. Some context that matters for what comes next: the Kali repository is synced with ~70 mirrors all around the world, 4 times a day. What happens if your apt update requests are redirected to 2 mirrors close-by, and one was just synced, while the other is still syncing (or even worse, failed to sync entirely)? You'll get a mix of old and new Index files. Hash Sum Mismatch! As you can see, with this setup the "Hash Sum Mismatch Window" becomes much longer than a few seconds: as long as nearby mirrors are syncing the window is opened. You could have a fast and a slow mirror next to you, and they can be out of sync with each other for several minutes every time the repository is updated, for example. For Kali Linux in particular, there's a "detail" in our network of mirrors that, as a side-effect, almost guarantees that this window lasts several minutes at least. This is because the pool of mirrors includes kali.download which is in fact the Cloudflare CDN, and from the redirector point of view, it's seen as a "super mirror" that is present in every country. So when APT fires a bunch of requests against http.kali.org, it's likely that some of them will be redirected to the Kali CDN, and others will be redirected to a mirror nearby you. So far so good, but there's another point of detail to be aware of: the Kali CDN is synced first, before the other mirrors. Another thing: usually the mirrors that are the farthest from the Tier-0 mirror are the longest to sync. Packing all of that together: if you live somewhere in Asia, it's not uncommon for your "Hash Sum Mismatch Window" to be as long as 30 minutes, between the moment the Kali CDN is synced, and the moment your nearby mirrors catch up and are finally in sync as well. Having said all of that, and assuming you're still reading (anyone here?), you might be wondering... Does that mean that apt update is broken 4 times a day, for around 30 minutes, for every Kali user out there? How can they bear with that? Answer is: no, of course not, it's not broken like that. It works despite all of that, and this is thanks to yet another detail that we didn't go into yet. This detail lies in APT itself. APT is in fact "redirector aware", in a sense. When it fetches a Release file, and if ever the request is redirected, it then fires the subsequent requests against the server where it was initially redirected. So you are guaranteed that the Release file and the Index files are retrieved from the same mirror! Which brings back our "Hash Sum Mismatch Window" to the window for a single server, ie. something like a few seconds at worst, hopefully. And that's what makes it work for Kali, literally. Without this trick, everything would fall apart. For reference, this feature was implemented in APT back in... 2016! A busy year it seems! Here's the link to the commit: use the same redirection mirror for all index files. To finish, a dump from the console. You can see this behaviour play out easily, again with APT debugging turned on. Below we can see that only the first request hits the Kali redirector:
$ podman run --rm kali-rolling apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep -e ^Answer -e ^HTTP
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Interlude Believe it or not, we're done with the introduction! At this point, we have a good understanding of what apt update does (in terms of HTTP requests), we know that Release files and Index files are part of a whole, and we know that a repository can be updated atomically thanks to the Acquire-By-Hash feature, so that users don't experience interruption of service or failures of any sort, even with a rolling repository that is updated several times a day, like Debian sid. We've also learnt that, despite the fact that Acquire-By-Hash landed almost 10 years ago, some distributions like Kali Linux are still doing without it... and yet it works! But the reason why it works is more complicated to grasp, especially when you add a network of mirrors and a redirector to the picture. Moreover, it doesn't work as flawlessly as with the Acquire-By-Hash feature: we still expect some short (seconds at worst) "Hash Sum Mismatch Windows" for those unlucky users that run apt update at the wrong moment. This was a long intro, but that really sets the stage for what comes next: the edge cases. Some situations in which we can hit some Hash Sum Mismatch errors with Kali. Error cases that I've collected and investigated over the time... If anything, it supports the case that Acquire-By-Hash is really something that should be implemented in reprepro. More on that in the conclusion, but for now, let's look at those edge cases. Edge Case 1: the caching proxy If you put a caching proxy (such as approx, my APT caching proxy of choice) between yourself and the actual packages repository, then obviously it's the caching proxy that performs the HTTP requests, and therefore APT will never know about the redirections returned by the server, if any. So the APT trick of downloading all the Index files from the same server in case of redirect doesn't work anymore. It was rather easy to confirm that by building a Kali package during a mirror sync, and watch if fail at the "Update chroot" step:
$ sudo rm /var/cache/approx/kali/dists/ -fr
$ gbp buildpackage --git-builder=sbuild
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
  Update chroot                                Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:33:32 +0000  
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Get:1 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev InRelease [41.4 kB]
Get:2 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/contrib Sources [81.6 kB]
Get:3 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/main Sources [17.3 MB]
Get:4 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free Sources [122 kB]
Get:5 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free-firmware Sources [8297 B]
Get:6 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free amd64 Packages [197 kB]
Get:7 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [10.6 kB]
Get:8 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/contrib amd64 Packages [120 kB]
Get:9 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/main amd64 Packages [21.0 MB]
Err:9 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/main amd64 Packages
  File has unexpected size (20984689 != 20984861). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ::1 9999]
  Hashes of expected file:
   - Filesize:20984861 [weak]
   - SHA256:6cbbee5838849ffb24a800bdcd1477e2f4adf5838a844f3838b8b66b7493879e
   - SHA1:a5c7e557a506013bd0cf938ab575fc084ed57dba [weak]
   - MD5Sum:1433ce57419414ffb348fca14ca1b00f [weak]
  Release file created at: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:15:10 +0000
Fetched 17.9 MB in 9s (1893 kB/s)
Reading package lists...
E: Failed to fetch http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  File has unexpected size (20984689 != 20984861). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ::1 9999]
   Hashes of expected file:
    - Filesize:20984861 [weak]
    - SHA256:6cbbee5838849ffb24a800bdcd1477e2f4adf5838a844f3838b8b66b7493879e
    - SHA1:a5c7e557a506013bd0cf938ab575fc084ed57dba [weak]
    - MD5Sum:1433ce57419414ffb348fca14ca1b00f [weak]
   Release file created at: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:15:10 +0000
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
E: apt-get update failed
The obvious workaround is to NOT use the redirector in the approx configuration. Either use a mirror close by, or the Kali CDN:
$ grep kali /etc/approx/approx.conf 
#kali http://http.kali.org/kali <- do not use the redirector!
kali  http://kali.download/kali
Edge Case 2: debootstrap struggles What if one tries to debootstrap Kali while mirrors are being synced? It can give you some ugly logs, but it might not be fatal:
$ sudo debootstrap kali-dev kali-dev http://http.kali.org/kali
[...]
I: Target architecture can be executed
I: Retrieving InRelease 
I: Checking Release signature
I: Valid Release signature (key id 827C8569F2518CC677FECA1AED65462EC8D5E4C5)
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
I: Resolving dependencies of required packages...
I: Resolving dependencies of base packages...
I: Checking component main on http://http.kali.org/kali...
I: Retrieving adduser 3.152
[...]
To understand this one, we have to go and look at the debootstrap source code. How does debootstrap fetch the Release file and the Index files? It uses wget, and it retries up to 10 times in case of failure. It's not as sophisticated as APT: it doesn't detect when the Release file is served via a redirect. As a consequence, what happens above can be explained as such:
  1. debootstrap requests the Release file, gets redirected to a mirror, and retrieves it from there
  2. then it requests the Packages file, gets redirected to another mirror that is not in sync with the first one, and retrieves it from there
  3. validation fails, since the checksum is not as expected
  4. try again and again
Since debootstrap retries up to 10 times, at some point it's lucky enough to get redirected to the same mirror as the one from where it got its Release file from, and this time it gets the right Packages file, with the expected checksum. So ultimately it succeeds. Edge Case 3: post-debootstrap failure I like this one, because it gets us to yet another detail that we didn't talk about yet. So, what happens after we successfully debootstraped Kali? We have only the main component enabled, and only the Index file for this component have been retrieved. It looks like that:
$ sudo debootstrap kali-dev kali-dev http://http.kali.org/kali
[...]
I: Base system installed successfully.
$ cat kali-dev/etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev main
$ ls -l kali-dev/var/lib/apt/lists/
total 80468
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    41445 Jun 19 07:02 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_InRelease
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82299122 Jun 19 07:01 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_main_binary-amd64_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    40562 Jun 19 11:54 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_Release
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root      833 Jun 19 11:54 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_Release.gpg
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root     4096 Jun 19 11:54 partial
So far so good. Next step would be to complete the sources.list with other components, then run apt update: APT will download the missing Index files. But if you're unlucky, that might fail:
$ sudo sed -i 's/main$/main contrib non-free non-free-firmware/' kali-dev/etc/apt/sources.list
$ cat kali-dev/etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
$ sudo chroot kali-dev apt update
Hit:1 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev InRelease
Get:2 http://kali.download/kali kali-dev/contrib amd64 Packages [121 kB]
Get:4 http://mirror.sg.gs/kali kali-dev/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [10.6 kB]
Get:3 http://mirror.freedif.org/kali kali-dev/non-free amd64 Packages [198 kB]
Err:3 http://mirror.freedif.org/kali kali-dev/non-free amd64 Packages
  File has unexpected size (10442 != 10584). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: 66.96.199.63 80]
  Hashes of expected file:
   - Filesize:10584 [weak]
   - SHA256:71a83d895f3488d8ebf63ccd3216923a7196f06f088461f8770cee3645376abb
   - SHA1:c4ff126b151f5150d6a8464bc6ed3c768627a197 [weak]
   - MD5Sum:a49f46a85febb275346c51ba0aa8c110 [weak]
  Release file created at: Fri, 23 May 2025 06:48:41 +0000
Fetched 336 kB in 4s (77.5 kB/s)  
Reading package lists... Done
E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  File has unexpected size (10442 != 10584). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: 66.96.199.63 80]
   Hashes of expected file:
    - Filesize:10584 [weak]
    - SHA256:71a83d895f3488d8ebf63ccd3216923a7196f06f088461f8770cee3645376abb
    - SHA1:c4ff126b151f5150d6a8464bc6ed3c768627a197 [weak]
    - MD5Sum:a49f46a85febb275346c51ba0aa8c110 [weak]
   Release file created at: Fri, 23 May 2025 06:48:41 +0000
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
What happened here? Again, we need APT debugging options to have a hint:
$ sudo chroot kali-dev apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep -e ^Answer -e ^HTTP
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/InRelease
HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://kali.download/kali/dists/kali-dev/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.sg.gs/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
As we can see above, for the Release file we get a 304 (aka. "Not Modified") from the redirector. Why is that? This is due to If-Modified-Since also known as RFC-7232. APT supports this feature when it retrieves the Release file, it basically says to the server "Give me the Release file, but only if it's newer than what I already have". If the file on the server is not newer than that, it answers with a 304, which basically says to the client "You have the latest version already". So APT doesn't get a new Release file, it uses the Release file that is already present locally in /var/lib/apt/lists/, and then it proceeeds to download the missing Index files. And as we can see above: it then hits the redirector for each requests, and might be redirected to different mirrors for each Index file. So the important bit here is: the APT "trick" of downloading all the Index files from the same mirror only works if the Release file is served via a redirect. If it's not, like in this case, then APT hits the redirector for each files it needs to download, and it's subject to the "Hash Sum Mismatch" error again. In practice, for the casual user running apt update every now and then, it's not an issue. If they have the latest Release file, no extra requests are done, because they also have the latest Index files, from a previous apt update transaction. So APT doesn't re-download those Index files. The only reason why they'd have the latest Release file, and would miss some Index files, would be that they added new components to their APT sources, like we just did above. Not so common, and then they'd need to run apt update at a unlucky moment. I don't think many users are affected in practice. Note that this issue is rather new for Kali Linux. The redirector running on http.kali.org is mirrorbits, and support for If-Modified-Since just landed in the latest release, version 0.6. This feature was added by no one else than me, a great example of the expression "shooting oneself in the foot". An obvious workaround here is to empty /var/lib/apt/lists/ in the chroot after debootstrap completed. Or we could disable support for If-Modified-Since entirely for Kali's instance of mirrorbits. Summary and Conclusion The Hash Sum Mismatch failures above are caused by a combination of things: At the same time: All in all, it seems that all those issues would go away if only Acquire-By-Hash was supported in the Kali packages repository. Now is not a bad moment to try to land this feature in reprepro. After development halted in 2019, there's now a new upstream, and patches are being merged again. But it won't be easy: reprepro is a C codebase of around 50k lines of code, and it will take time and effort for the newcomer to get acquainted with the codebase, to the point of being able to implement a significant feature like this one. As an alternative, aptly is another popular tool to manage APT package repositories. And it seems to support Acquire-By-Hash already. Another alternative: I was told that debusine has (experimental) support for package repositories, and that Acquire-By-Hash is supported as well. Options are on the table, and I hope that Kali will eventually get support for Acquire-By-Hash, one way or another. To finish, due credits: this blog post exists thanks to my employer OffSec. Thanks for reading!

16 July 2025

David Bremner: Hibernate on the pocket reform 7/n

Context

Building upstream-ish kernel
  • Roughly following the "bisecting upstream linux" section of reform-debian-packages/README.md
$ git clone https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/linux.git collabora
$ cd collabora && git git switch -c rockchip-devel origin/rockchip-devel
  • The next step is to apply the the non-collabora patches from reform-debian-packages/linux/patches6.15/rk3588-mnt-reform2
  • Unfortunately these are missing the proper metadata to work with git-am

Sidequest: Fix patches
  • 1000-v3-pci_dw_rockchip_add_system_pm_support.patch doesn't apply, even with added metadata. Start again upstream.
  • Thanks to joshc for the suggestion of the b4 tool.
      b4 am 1744940759-23823-1-git-send-email-shawn.lin@rock-chips.com
    
    This creates a .mbx file ready for git am (roughly equivalent to fetching the /raw version from lore, with some extra checks).
  • Brute force finding a base for the patch:
git rev-list --no-merges --since 2025-01-01 refs/heads/rockchip-devel   \
    while read ref
    do
        echo trying $ref
        git checkout $ref
        git apply --check v3_20250418_shawn_lin_pci_dw_rockchip_add_system_pm_support.mbx && echo SUCCESS && break
    done
  • 122 steps later this yields 9dff55ebaef7 (bisect would be better if we knew a "good" commit).
$ git branch -D tmp ; git switch -c tmp 9dff55ebaef7
$ git am v3_20250418_shawn_lin_pci_dw_rockchip_add_system_pm_support.mbx
$ git rebase -i rockchip-devel
This fails with 3 conflicts. The first is easy, as the one non-comment line just moves around. The other two involve a new function rockchip_pcie_unmask_dll_indicator used to reduce code duplication, and in all 3 cases I just took the version of the code from Shawn's patch. EDIT This rebase turns out to miss (at least) changes in the names of the PCI* constants. By amusing(?) coincidence, as I was discovering that, the patch was being rebased by someone more competent at collabora, and is now in the rockchip-devel branch. previous episode next episode

15 July 2025

Dirk Eddelbuettel: anytime 0.3.12 on CRAN: Minor Bugfix and Maintenance

A maintenance release 0.3.132 of the anytime package arrived on CRAN today. The package is fairly feature-complete, and code and functionality remain mature and stable. anytime is a very focused package aiming to do just one thing really well: to convert anything in integer, numeric, character, factor, ordered, input format to either POSIXct (when called as anytime) or Date objects (when called as anydate) and to do so without requiring a format string as well as accomodating different formats in one input vector. See the anytime page, or the GitHub repo for a few examples, and the beautiful documentation site for all documentation. This release covers a corner case reported in a GitHub issue: the (nonsensical but possible) input of zero-length (floating point or integer) vectors was not dealt with properly which lead to an error. We now return the requested type (POSIXct or Date, depending on the call) also with length zero. Two minor maintenance tasks were also addressed since the last release six months ago. The short list of changes follows.

Changes in anytime version 0.3.12 (2025-07-14)
  • Continuous integration now uses r-ci action with embedded bootstrap
  • The versioned depends on Rcpp now requires 1.0.8 or newer to support use of the updated header file structure
  • The corner-case of an empty (numeric or integer) vector argument is now addressed, new tests have been added (#135)))

Courtesy of my CRANberries, there is also a diffstat report of changes relative to the previous release. The issue tracker tracker off the GitHub repo can be use for questions and comments. More information about the package is at the package page, the GitHub repo and the documentation site.

This post by Dirk Eddelbuettel originated on his Thinking inside the box blog. If you like this or other open-source work I do, you can now sponsor me at GitHub.

Valhalla's Things: Federated instant messaging, 100% debianized

Posted on July 15, 2025
Tags: madeof:bits, topic:xmpp, topic:debian
This is an approximation of what I told at my talk Federated instant messaging, 100% debianized at DebConf 25, for people who prefer reading text. There will also be a video recording, as soon as it s ready :) at the link above. Communicating is a basic human need, and today some kind of computer-mediated communication is a requirement for most people, especially those in this room. With everything that is happening, it s now more important than ever that these means of communication aren t controlled by entities that can t be trusted, whether because they can stop providing the service at any given time or worse because they are going to abuse it in order to extract more profit. If only there was a well established chat system based on some standard developed in an open way, with all of the features one expects from a chat system but federated so that one can choose between many different and independent providers, or even self-hosting. But wait, it does exist! I m not talking about IRC, I m talking about XMPP! While it has been around since the last millennium, it has not remained still, with hundred of XMPP Extension Protocols, or XEPs that have been developed to add all of the features that nobody in 1999 imagined we could need in Instant Messaging today, and more, such as IoT devices or even social networks. There is a myth that this makes XMPP a mess of incompatible software, but there is an XEP for that: XEP-0479: XMPP Compliance Suites 2023, which is a list of XEPs that needs to be supported by Instant Messaging servers and clients, including mobile ones, and all of the recommended ones will mostly just work. These include conversations.im on android, dino on linux, which also works pretty nicely on linux phones, gajim for a more fully featured option that includes the kitchen sink, profanity for text interface fanatics like me, and I ve heard that monal works decently enough on the iThings. One thing that sets XMPP apart from other federated protocols, is that it has already gone through the phase where everybody was on one very big server, which then cut out federation, and we ve learned from the experience. These days there are still a few places that cater to newcomers, like https://account.conversations.im/, https://snikket.org/ (which also includes tools to make it easier to host your own instance) and https://quicksy.im/, but most people are actually on servers of a manageable size. My strong recommendation is for community hosting: not just self-hosting for yourself, but finding a community you feel part of and trust, and share a server with them, whether managed by volunteers from the community itself, or by a paid provider. If you are a Debian Developer, you already have one: you can go to https://db.debian.org/ , select Change rtc password to set your own password, wait an hour or so and you re good to go, as described at the bottom of https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSocial. A few years ago it had remained a bit behind, but these days it s managed by an active team, and if you re missing some features, or just want to know what s happening with it, you can join their BoF on Friday afternoon (and also thank them for their work). But for most people in this room, I d also recommend finding a friend or two who can help as a backup, and run a server for your own families or community: as a certified lazy person who doesn t like doing sysadmin jobs, I can guarantee it s perfectly feasible, about in the same range of difficulty as running your own web server for a static site. The two most popular servers for this, prosody and ejabberd, are well maintained in Debian, and these days there isn t a lot more to do than installing them, telling them your hostname, setting up a few DNS entries, and then you mostly need to keep the machine updated and very little else. After that, it s just applying system security updates, upgrading everything every couple years (some configuration updates may be needed, but nothing major) and maybe helping some non-technical users, if you are hosting your non-technical friends (the kind who would need support on any other platform).
Question time (including IRC questions) included which server would be recommended for very few users (I use prosody and I m very happy with it, but I believe ejabberd works also just fine), then somebody reminded me that I had forgotten to mention https://www.chatons.org/ , which lists free, ethical and decentralized services, including xmpp ones. I was also asked a comparison with matrix, which does cover a very similar target as XMPP, but I am quite biased against it, and I d prefer to talk well of my favourite platform than badly of its competitor.

14 July 2025

David Bremner: Hibernate on the pocket reform 6/n

Context

Another kernel patch?
  • Confused about prerequisites, I wrote
  • A reply from Niklas Cassel suggested I look at https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/1744940759-23823-1-git-send-email-shawn.lin@rock-chips.com/
  • EDIT It turns out that this patch is already shipped as part of the mnt research kernel. It will need rebasing for 6.16.x.

Applying the prerequisites
  • Niklas also point me to https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20250508-pcie-reset-slot-v4-0-7050093e2b50@linaro.org/
  • Since the new patch doesn't apply to linux master either, I guess I need to apply that series. But part of it is already applied, fun.
  • I'm not claiming this is the best way...
# index 31090770fffcc94e15 from the first patch in the series
$ git log --raw --all --find-object=31090770fffcc94e15
# The applied version of the first patch is  b06d125e6280603a34d9064cd9c12748ca2edb04 
$ git switch -c base b06d125e6280603a34d9064cd9c12748ca2edb04^
$ mbox-extract-patch < ~/Downloads/PATCH-v4-1-5-PCI-ERR-Remove-misleading-TODO-regarding-kernel-panic.mbox   git am
$ git rebase -i master  # two applied patches skipped
$ git switch master && git merge base
  • mbox-extract-patch is from package mailscripts.
  • git am -3 ~/tmp/PATCH-v3-PCI-dw-rockchip-Add-support-for-slot-reset-on-link-down-event.txt
  • Currently can't get the "Add system PM support" patch to apply, will test the others first.
  • Except that a test build tells me I need to rebase all of my patches against 6.15.x, rather the the current 6.16~rcX
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12 July 2025

Bits from Debian: Debconf25 welcomes its sponsors

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Reproducible Builds: Reproducible Builds in June 2025

Welcome to the 6th report from the Reproducible Builds project in 2025. Our monthly reports outline what we ve been up to over the past month, and highlight items of news from elsewhere in the increasingly-important area of software supply-chain security. If you are interested in contributing to the Reproducible Builds project, please see the Contribute page on our website. In this report:
  1. Reproducible Builds at FOSSY 2025
  2. Distribution work
  3. diffoscope
  4. OSS Rebuild updates
  5. Website updates
  6. Upstream patches
  7. Reproducibility testing framework

Reproducible Builds at FOSSY 2025 On Saturday 2nd August, Vagrant Cascadian and Chris Lamb will be presenting at this year s FOSSY 2025. Their talk, titled Never Mind the Checkboxes, Here s Reproducible Builds!, is being introduced as follows:
There are numerous policy compliance and regulatory processes being developed that target software development but do they solve actual problems? Does it improve the quality of software? Do Software Bill of Materials (SBOMs) actually give you the information necessary to verify how a given software artifact was built? What is the goal of all these compliance checklists anyways or more importantly, what should the goals be? If a software object is signed, who should be trusted to sign it, and can they be trusted forever?
The talk will introduce the audience to Reproducible Builds as a set of best practices which allow users and developers to verify that software artifacts were built from the source code, but also allows auditing for license compliance, providing security benefits, and removes the need to trust arbitrary software vendors. Hosted by the Software Freedom Conservancy and taking place in Portland, Oregon, USA, FOSSY aims to be a community-focused event: Whether you are a long time contributing member of a free software project, a recent graduate of a coding bootcamp or university, or just have an interest in the possibilities that free and open source software bring, FOSSY will have something for you . More information on the event is available on the FOSSY 2025 website, including the full programme schedule. Vagrant and Chris will also be staffing a table this year, where they will be available to answer any questions about Reproducible Builds and discuss collaborations with other projects.

Distribution work In Debian this month:
  • Holger Levsen has discovered that it is now possible to bootstrap a minimal Debian trixie using 100% reproducible packages. This result can itself be reproduced, using the debian-repro-status tool and mmdebstrap s support for hooks:
      $ mmdebstrap --variant=apt --include=debian-repro-status \
           --chrooted-customize-hook=debian-repro-status \
           trixie /dev/null 2>&1   grep "Your system has"
       INFO  debian-repro-status > Your system has 100.00% been reproduced.
    
  • On our mailing list this month, Helmut Grohne wrote an extensive message raising an issue related to Uploads with conflicting buildinfo filenames:
    Having several .buildinfo files for the same architecture is something that we plausibly want to have eventually. Imagine running two sets of buildds and assembling a single upload containing buildinfo files from both buildds in the same upload. In a similar vein, as a developer I may want to supply several .buildinfo files with my source upload (e.g. for multiple architectures). Doing any of this is incompatible with current incoming processing and with reprepro.
  • 5 reviews of Debian packages were added, 4 were updated and 8 were removed this month adding to our ever-growing knowledge about identified issues.

In GNU Guix, Timothee Mathieu reported that a long-standing issue with reproducibility of shell containers across different host operating systems has been solved. In their message, Timothee mentions:
I discovered that pytorch (and maybe other dependencies) has a reproducibility problem of order 1e-5 when on AVX512 compared to AVX2. I first tried to solve the problem by disabling AVX512 at the level of pytorch, but it did not work. The dev of pytorch said that it may be because some components dispatch computation to MKL-DNN, I tried to disable AVX512 on MKL, and still the results were not reproducible, I also tried to deactivate in openmpi without success. I finally concluded that there was a problem with AVX512 somewhere in the dependencies graph but I gave up identifying where, as this seems very complicated.

The IzzyOnDroid Android APK repository made more progress in June. Not only have they just passed 48% reproducibility coverage, Ben started making their reproducible builds more visible, by offering rbtlog shields, a kind of badge that has been quickly picked up by many developers who are proud to present their applications reproducibility status.
Lastly, in openSUSE news, Bernhard M. Wiedemann posted another monthly update for their work there.

diffoscope diffoscope is our in-depth and content-aware diff utility that can locate and diagnose reproducibility issues. This month, Chris Lamb made the following changes, including preparing and uploading versions 298, 299 and 300 to Debian:
  • Add python3-defusedxml to the Build-Depends in order to include it in the Docker image. [ ]
  • Handle the RPM format s HEADERSIGNATURES and HEADERIMMUTABLE as a special-case to avoid unnecessarily large diffs. Thanks to Daniel Duan for the report and suggestion. [ ][ ]
  • Update copyright years. [ ]
In addition, @puer-robustus fixed a regression introduced in an earlier commit which resulted in some differences being lost. [ ][ ] Lastly, Vagrant Cascadian updated diffoscope in GNU Guix to version 299 [ ][ ] and 300 [ ][ ].

OSS Rebuild updates OSS Rebuild has added a new network analyzer that provides transparent HTTP(S) interception during builds, capturing all network traffic to monitor external dependencies and identify suspicious behavior, even in unmodified maintainer-controlled build processes. The text-based user interface now features automated failure clustering that can group similar rebuild failures and provides natural language failure summaries, making it easier to identify and understand patterns across large numbers of build failures. OSS Rebuild has also improved the local development experience with a unified interface for build execution strategies, allowing for more extensible environment setup for build execution. The team also designed a new website and logo.

Website updates Once again, there were a number of improvements made to our website this month including:
  • Arnaud Brousseau added Stage , a new Linux distribution, to our Tools page.
  • Chris Lamb improved the docker instructions on the diffoscope website. [ ]


Upstream patches The Reproducible Builds project detects, dissects and attempts to fix as many currently-unreproducible packages as possible. We endeavour to send all of our patches upstream where appropriate. This month, we wrote a large number of such patches, including:

Reproducibility testing framework The Reproducible Builds project operates a comprehensive testing framework running primarily at tests.reproducible-builds.org in order to check packages and other artifacts for reproducibility. In June, however, a number of changes were made by Holger Levsen, including:
  • reproduce.debian.net-related:
    • Installed and deployed rebuilderd version 0.24 from Debian unstable in order to make use of the new compression feature added by Jarl Gullberg for the database. This resulted in massive decrease of the SQLite databases:
      • 79G 2.8G (all)
      • 84G 3.2G (amd64)
      • 75G 2.9G (arm64)
      • 45G 2.1G (armel)
      • 48G 2.2G (armhf)
      • 73G 2.8G (i386)
      • 72G 2.7G (ppc64el)
      • 45G 2.1G (riscv64)
      for a combined saving from 521G 20.8G. This naturally reduces the requirements to run an independent rebuilderd instance and will permit us to add more Debian suites as well.
    • During migration to the latest version of rebuilderd, make sure several services are not started. [ ]
    • Actually run rebuilderd from /usr/bin. [ ]
    • Raise temperatures for NVME devices on some riscv64 nodes that should be ignored. [ ][ ]
    • Use a 64KB kernel page size on the ppc64el architecture (see #1106757). [ ]
    • Improve ordering of some failed to reproduce statistics. [ ]
    • Detect a number of potential causes of build failures within the statistics. [ ][ ]
    • Add support for manually scheduling for the any architecture. [ ]
  • Misc:
    • Update the Codethink nodes as there are now many kernels installed. [ ][ ]
    • Install linux-sysctl-defaults on Debian trixie systems as we need ping functionality. [ ]
    • Limit the fs.nr_open kernel turnable. [ ]
    • Stop submitting results to deprecated buildinfo.debian.net service. [ ][ ]
In addition, Jochen Sprickerhof greatly improved the statistics and the logging functionality, including adopting to the new database format of rebuilderd version 0.24.0 [ ] and temporarily increasing maximum log size in order to debug a nettlesome build [ ]. Jochen also dropped the CPUSchedulingPolicy=idle systemd flag on the workers. [ ]

Finally, if you are interested in contributing to the Reproducible Builds project, please visit our Contribute page on our website. However, you can get in touch with us via:

Freexian Collaborators: Monthly report about Debian Long Term Support, June 2025 (by Roberto C. S nchez)

Like each month, have a look at the work funded by Freexian s Debian LTS offering.

Debian LTS contributors In June, 20 contributors have been paid to work on Debian LTS, their reports are available:
  • Abhijith PA did 14.0h (out of 14.0h assigned).
  • Adrian Bunk did 23.5h (out of 23.5h assigned).
  • Andreas Henriksson did 3.0h (out of 3.0h assigned and 17.0h from previous period), thus carrying over 17.0h to the next month.
  • Andrej Shadura did 2.0h (out of 3.0h assigned and 7.0h from previous period), thus carrying over 8.0h to the next month.
  • Bastien Roucari s did 20.0h (out of 20.0h assigned).
  • Ben Hutchings did 8.0h (out of 7.5h assigned and 16.0h from previous period), thus carrying over 15.5h to the next month.
  • Carlos Henrique Lima Melara did 12.0h (out of 12.0h assigned).
  • Chris Lamb did 18.0h (out of 18.0h assigned).
  • Daniel Leidert did 22.0h (out of 22.5h assigned and 1.0h from previous period), thus carrying over 1.5h to the next month.
  • Emilio Pozuelo Monfort did 23.5h (out of 16.75h assigned and 6.75h from previous period).
  • Guilhem Moulin did 14.0h (out of 11.5h assigned and 3.5h from previous period), thus carrying over 1.0h to the next month.
  • Jochen Sprickerhof did 21.0h (out of 0.5h assigned and 22.75h from previous period), thus carrying over 2.25h to the next month.
  • Lucas Kanashiro did 20.0h (out of 20.0h assigned).
  • Markus Koschany did 23.25h (out of 17.0h assigned and 6.25h from previous period).
  • Roberto C. S nchez did 21.25h (out of 20.75h assigned and 3.25h from previous period), thus carrying over 2.75h to the next month.
  • Santiago Ruano Rinc n did 12.75h (out of 15.0h assigned), thus carrying over 2.25h to the next month.
  • Sean Whitton did 1.0h (out of 4.25h assigned and 1.75h from previous period), thus carrying over 5.0h to the next month.
  • Sylvain Beucler did 23.5h (out of 23.5h assigned).
  • Thorsten Alteholz did 15.0h (out of 15.0h assigned).
  • Tobias Frost did 2.5h (out of 12.0h assigned), thus carrying over 9.5h to the next month.

Evolution of the situation In June, we released 35 DLAs.
  • Notable security updates:
    • mariadb-10.5, prepared by Otto Kek l inen, fixes vulnerabilities which could result in denial of service, information disclosure, or unauthorized data modification
    • python-django, prepared by Chris Lamb, fixes vulnerabilities which would result in log injection or denial of service
    • webkit2gtk, prepared by Emilio Pozuelo Monfort, fixes many vulnerabilities which could results in a wide range of issues
    • xorg-server, prepared by Emilio Pozuelo Monfort, fixes multiple vulnerabilities which may result in privilege escalation
    • sudo, prepared by Thorsten Alteholz, fixes a vulnerability which could result in privilege escalation
  • Notable non-security updates:
    • debian-security-support, prepared by Santiago Ruano Rinc n, updates status of packages which receive limited security support or which have reached the end of security support
    • dns-root-data, prepared by Sylvain Beucler, updates the DNSSEC trust anchors
This month s contributions from outside the regular team include the mariadb-10.5 update mentioned above, prepared by Otto Kek l inen (the package maintainer); an update to libfile-find-rule-perl, prepared by Salvatore Bonaccorso (a member of the Debian Security Team); an update to activemq, prepared by Emmanuel Arias (a maintainer of the package). Additionally, LTS Team members contributed stable updates of the following packages:
  • curl, prepared by Carlos Henrique Lima Melara
  • python-tornado, prepared by Daniel Leidert
  • python-flask-cors, prepared by Daniel Leidert
  • common-vfs, prepared by Daniel Leidert
  • cjson, prepared by Adrian Bunk
  • icu, prepared by Adrian Bunk
  • node-tar-fs, prepared by Adrian Bunk
  • rar, prepared by Adrian Bunk
Something of particular noteworthiness is that LTS contributor Carlos Henrique Lima Melara discovered a regression in the upstream fix for CVE-2023-2753 in curl. The corrective action which he took included providing a patch to upstream, uploading a stable update of curl, and further updating the version of curl in LTS. DebConf, the annual Debian Conference, is coming up in July and, as is customary each year, the week preceding the conference will feature an event called DebCamp. The DebCamp week provides an opportunity for teams and other interested groups/individuals to meet together in person in the same venue as the conference itself, with the purpose of doing focused work, often called sprints . LTS coordinator Roberto C. S nchez has announced that the LTS Team is planning to hold a sprint primarily focused on the Debian security tracker and the associated tooling used by the LTS Team and the Debian Security Team.

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11 July 2025

Jamie McClelland: Avoiding Apache Max Request Workers Errors

Wow, I hate this error:
AH00484: server reached MaxRequestWorkers setting, consider raising the MaxRequestWorkers setting
For starters, it means I have to relearn how MaxRequestWorkers functions in Apache:
For threaded and hybrid servers (e.g. event or worker), MaxRequestWorkers restricts the total number of threads that will be available to serve clients. For hybrid MPMs, the default value is 16 (ServerLimit) multiplied by the value of 25 (ThreadsPerChild). Therefore, to increase MaxRequestWorkers to a value that requires more than 16 processes, you must also raise ServerLimit.
Ok remind me what ServerLimit refers to?
For the prefork MPM, this directive sets the maximum configured value for MaxRequestWorkers for the lifetime of the Apache httpd process. For the worker and event MPMs, this directive in combination with ThreadLimit sets the maximum configured value for MaxRequestWorkers for the lifetime of the Apache httpd process. For the event MPM, this directive also defines how many old server processes may keep running and finish processing open connections. Any attempts to change this directive during a restart will be ignored, but MaxRequestWorkers can be modified during a restart. Special care must be taken when using this directive. If ServerLimit is set to a value much higher than necessary, extra, unused shared memory will be allocated. If both ServerLimit and MaxRequestWorkers are set to values higher than the system can handle, Apache httpd may not start or the system may become unstable. With the prefork MPM, use this directive only if you need to set MaxRequestWorkers higher than 256 (default). Do not set the value of this directive any higher than what you might want to set MaxRequestWorkers to. With worker, use this directive only if your MaxRequestWorkers and ThreadsPerChild settings require more than 16 server processes (default). Do not set the value of this directive any higher than the number of server processes required by what you may want for MaxRequestWorkers and ThreadsPerChild. With event, increase this directive if the process number defined by your MaxRequestWorkers and ThreadsPerChild settings, plus the number of gracefully shutting down processes, is more than 16 server processes (default).
Got it? In other words, you can consider raising the MaxRequestWorkers setting all you want, but you can t just change that setting, you have to read about several other compliated settings, do some math, and spend a lot of time wondering if you are going to remember what you just did and how to undo it if you blow up your server. On the plus side, typically, nobody should increase this limit - because if the server runs out of connections, it usually means something else is wrong. In our case, on a shared web server running Apache2 and PHP-FPM, it s usually because a single web site has gone out of control. But wait! How can that happen, we are using PHP-FPM s max_children setting to prevent a single PHP web site from taking down the server? After years of struggling with this problem I have finally made some headway. Our PHP pool configuration typically looks like this:
user = site342999writer
group = site342999writer
listen = /run/php/8.1-site342999.sock
listen.owner = www-data
listen.group = www-data
pm = ondemand
pm.max_children = 12
pm.max_requests = 500
php_admin_value[memory_limit] = 256M
And we invoke PHP-FPM via this apache snippet:
<FilesMatch \.php$>
        SetHandler "proxy:unix:/var/run/php/8.1-site342999.sock fcgi://localhost"
</FilesMatch>
With these settings in place, what happens when we use up all 12 max_children? According to the docs:
By default, mod_proxy will allow and retain the maximum number of connections that could be used simultaneously by that web server child process. Use the max parameter to reduce the number from the default. The pool of connections is maintained per web server child process, and max and other settings are not coordinated among all child processes, except when only one child process is allowed by configuration or MPM design.
The max parameter seems to default to the ThreadsPerChild, so it seems that the default here is to allow any web site to consume ThreadsPerChild (25) x ServerLimit (16), which is also the max number of over all connections. Not great. To make matter worse, there is another setting available which is mysteriously called acquire:
If set, this will be the maximum time to wait for a free connection in the connection pool, in milliseconds. If there are no free connections in the pool, the Apache httpd will return SERVER_BUSY status to the client.
By default this is not set which seems to suggest Apache will just hang on to connections forever until a free PHP process becomes available (or some other time out happens). So, let s try something different:
 <Proxy "fcgi://localhost">
    ProxySet acquire=1 max=12
  </proxy>
This snippet is the way you can configure the proxy configuration we setup in the SetHandler statement above. It s documented on the Apache mod_proxy page. Now we limit the maximum pool size per process to half of what is available for the entire server and we tell Apache to immediately throw a 503 error if we have exceeded our maximum number of connecitons. Now, if a site is overwhelmed with traffic, instead of maxing out the available Apache connections while leaving user with constantly spinning browsers, the users will get 503 ed and the server will be able to server other sites.

10 July 2025

David Bremner: Hibernate on the pocket reform 4/n

Context

Log from (failed) platform test After some fun I got the serial console working and re-ran the platform test. After a bit of reading the serial console, I realized that rmmod dwc3 was causing more problems than it solved, in particularly reliable hard lockup on one of the CPUs. My revised test script is
set -x
echo platform >  /sys/power/pm_test
echo reboot > /sys/power/disk
sleep 2
rmmod mt76x2u
sleep 2
echo disk >  /sys/power/state
sleep 2
modprobe mt76x2u
The current problem seems to be pcie not resuming properly.
[   65.306842] usbcore: deregistering interface driver mt76x2u
[   65.343606] wlx000a5205eb2d: deauthenticating from 20:05:b7:00:2d:89 by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
[   67.995239] PM: hibernation: hibernation entry
[   68.048103] Filesystems sync: 0.022 seconds
[   68.049005] Freezing user space processes
[   68.051075] Freezing user space processes completed (elapsed 0.001 seconds)
[   68.051760] OOM killer disabled.
[   68.052597] PM: hibernation: Basic memory bitmaps created
[   68.053108] PM: hibernation: Preallocating image memory
[   69.719040] PM: hibernation: Allocated 366708 pages for snapshot
[   69.719650] PM: hibernation: Allocated 1466832 kbytes in 1.66 seconds (883.63 MB/s)
[   69.720370] Freezing remaining freezable tasks
[   69.723558] Freezing remaining freezable tasks completed (elapsed 0.002 seconds)
[   69.728002] rk_gmac-dwmac fe1b0000.ethernet end0: Link is Down
[   69.992324] rockchip-dw-pcie a40c00000.pcie: Failed to receive PME_TO_Ack
[   69.993405] PM: hibernation: debug: Waiting for 5 seconds.
[   76.059484] rockchip-dw-pcie a40c00000.pcie: Phy link never came up
[   76.060043] rockchip-dw-pcie a40c00000.pcie: fail to resume
[   76.060546] rockchip-dw-pcie a40c00000.pcie: PM: dpm_run_callback(): genpd_restore_noirq returns -110
[   76.061363] rockchip-dw-pcie a40c00000.pcie: PM: failed to restore noirq: error -110
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8 July 2025

David Bremner: Hibernate on the pocket reform 3/n

Context

Serial console hardware
  • Manual is unclear about name of connector (J16 in schematics, J17 in manual).
  • Also numbering of pins is not given afaict.
  • Clone https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform.git
  • Look at pocket-reform-motherboard.kicad_pcb
  • From the PCB I can confirm J16 and pins numbered left (sysctl) to right.
  • attach "dtech" prolific PL2303 based serial to usb cable per serial console section of PR manual
  • lsusb shows ID 067b:23a3 Prolific Technology, Inc. ATEN Serial Bridge
  • install tio
  • add my user to group dialout
  • newgrp dialout
  • tio /dev/ttyUSB0 -b 1500000
  • A closer look at the PCB in kicad makes me realize the pin labels in the manual are wrong. 4 = GND, 5 = UART1_RX, 6= UART1_TX. With that change I have U-boot output on boot.

Serial console software With some help from minute on ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/#mnt-reform, I got the kernel boot arguments right to have not just u-boot output but linux kernel output on the serial console. In consfigurator notation
(on-change
      (file:has-content "/etc/flash-kernel/ubootenv.d/00reform2_serial_console"
        "setenv bootargs \"$ bootargs  console=ttyS2,1500000 keep_bootcon\"")
    (cmd:single "flash-kernel"))
The filename should sort before "00reform2_ubootenv" so that the existing "console=tty1" still ends up at the end. previous episode next episode

5 July 2025

Taavi V n nen: Tracking my train travel by parsing tickets in emails

Rumour has it that I might be a bit of a train nerd. At least I want to collect various nerdy data about my travels. Historically that data has lived in manual form in several places,1 but over the past year and a half I've been working on a toy project to collect most of that information into a custom tool. That toy project2 uses various sources to get information about trains to fill up its database: for example, in Finland Fintraffic, the organization responsible for railway traffic management, publishes very comprehensive open data about almost everything that's moving on the Finnish railway network. Unfortunately, I cannot be on all of the trains.3 Thus I need to tell the system details about my journeys. The obvious solution is to make a form that lets me save that data. Which I did, but I got very quickly bored of filling out that form, and as regular readers of this blog know, there is no reason to settle for a simple but boring solution when the alternative is to make something that is ridiculously overengineered.

Parsing data out of my train tickets Finnish long-distance trains generally require train-specific seat reservations, which means VR (the train company) knows which trains I am on. We just need to find a way to extract that information in some machine-readable format. So my plan for the ridiculously overengineered solution was to parse the booking emails to get the details I need. Now, VR ticket emails include the data I want in a couple of different formats: they're included as text in the HTML email body, they're in the embedded calendar invite, as text in the included PDF ticket, and encoded in the Aztec Code in the included PDF ticket. I chose to parse the last option with the hopes of building something that could be ported to parse other operators' tickets with relative ease.
Example Aztec code
Example Aztec code
After a bit of digging (thank you to the KDE Itinerary people for documenting this!) I stumbled upon an European Union Agency for Railways PDF titled ELECTRONIC SEAT/BERTH RESERVATION AND ELECTRONIC PRODUCTION OF TRANSPORT DOCUMENTS - TRANSPORT DOCUMENTS (RCT2 STANDARD) which, in its Appendix C.1, describes how the information is encoded in the code.4 (As a side note, various sources call these codes SSB version 1 codes, although that term isn't used in this specification. So maybe there are more specifications about the format that I haven't discovered yet!) I then wrote a parser in Go for the binary data embedded in these codes. So far it works, although I wouldn't be surprised if there are some edge cases that it doesn't handle. In particular, the spec specifies a custom lookup table for converting between text and binary data, and that only has support for characters 0-9 and A-Z. But Finnish railway station codes can also use and .. maybe I need to buy a ticket to a station with one of those.

Extracting barcodes out of emails A parser just for the binary format isn't enough here if the intended source input is the emails that VR sends upon making a booking. Time to write a single-purpose email server! In short, the logic in the server, again written in Go and with the help of go-smtp and go-message, is:
  • Accept any mail with a reasonable body size
  • Process through all body parts
  • For all PDF parts, extract all images
  • For all images, run them through ZXing
  • For all decoded barcodes, try to parse them with my new ticket parsing library I mentioned earlier
  • If any tickets are found, send the data from them and any metadata to the main backend, which will save them to a database
The custom mail server exposes an LMTP interface over TCP for my internet-facing mail servers to forward to. I chose LMTP for this because it seemed like a better fit in theory than normal (E)SMTP. I've since discovered that curl doesn't support LMTP which makes development much harder, and in practice there's no benefit of LMTP here as all mails are being sent to the backend in a single request regardless of the number of recipients, so maybe I'll migrate it to regular SMTP at some point.

Side quest time The last missing part is automatically forwarding the ticket mails to the new service. I've routed a dedicated subdomain to the new service, and the backend is configured to allocate addresses like i2v44g2pygkcth64stjgyuqz@somedomain.example for each user. That's great if we wanted to manually forward mails to the service, but we can go one step above that. I created a dedicated email alias in my mail server config that routes both to my regular mailbox and the service address. That way I can update my VR account to use the alias and have mails automatically processed while still receiving backup copies of the tickets (and any other important mail that VR might send me). Unfortunately that last part turns out something that's easier said than done. Logging in on the website, I'm greeted by this text stating I need to contact customer service by phone to change the address associated with my account.5 After a bit of digging, I noticed that the mobile app suggests filling out a feedback form in order to change the address. So I filled that, and after a day or two I got a "confirm you want to change your email" mail. Success!

  1. Including (but not limited to): a page of this website, the notes app on my phone, and an uMap map.
  2. Which I'm not directly naming here because I still think it needs a lot more work before being presentable, but if you're really interested it's not that hard to find out.
  3. Someone should invent human cloning so that we can fix this.
  4. People who know much more about railway ticketing than I do were surprised when I told them this format is still in use somewhere. So, uh, sorry if you were expecting a nice universal worldwide standard!
  5. In case you have not guessed yet, I do not like making phone calls.

3 July 2025

Russell Coker: The Fuss About AI

There are many negative articles about AI (which is not about actual Artificial Intelligence also known as AGI ). Which I think are mostly overblown and often ridiculous. Resource Usage Complaints about resource usage are common, training Llama 3.1 could apparently produce as much pollution as 10,000 round trips by car between Los Angeles and New York City . That s not great but when you compare to the actual number of people doing such drives in the US and the number of people taking commercial flights on that route it doesn t seem like such a big deal. Apparently commercial passenger jets cause CO2 emissions per passenger about equal to a car with 2 people. Why is it relevant whether pollution comes from running servers, driving cars, or steel mills? Why not just tax polluters for the damage they do and let the market sort it out? People in the US make a big deal about not being communist, so why not have a capitalist solution, make it more expensive to do undesirable things and let the market sort it out? ML systems are a less bad use of compute resources than Bitcoin, at least ML systems give some useful results while Bitcoin has nothing good going for it. The Dot-Com Comparison People often complain about the apparent impossibility of AI companies doing what investors think they will do. But this isn t anything new, that all happened before with the dot com boom . I m not the first person to make this comparison, The Daily WTF (a high quality site about IT mistakes) has an interesting article making this comparison [1]. But my conclusions are quite different. The result of that was a lot of Internet companies going bankrupt, the investors in those companies losing money, and other companies then bought up their assets and made profitable companies. The cheap Internet we now have was built on the hardware from bankrupt companies which was sold for far less than the manufacture price. That allowed it to scale up from modem speeds to ADSL without the users paying enough to cover the purchase of the infrastructure. In the early 2000s I worked for two major Dutch ISPs that went bankrupt (not my fault) and one of them continued operations in the identical manner after having the stock price go to zero (I didn t get to witness what happened with the other one). As far as I m aware random Dutch citizens and residents didn t suffer from this and employees just got jobs elsewhere. There are good things being done with ML systems and when companies like OpenAI go bankrupt other companies will buy the hardware and do good things. NVidia isn t ever going to have the future sales that would justify a market capitalisation of almost 4 Trillion US dollars. This market cap can support paying for new research and purchasing rights to patented technology in a similar way to the high stock price of Google supported buying YouTube, DoubleClick, and Motorola Mobility which are the keys to Google s profits now. The Real Upsides of ML Until recently I worked for a company that used ML systems to analyse drivers for signs of fatigue, distraction, or other inappropriate things (smoking which is illegal in China, using a mobile phone, etc). That work was directly aimed at saving human lives with a significant secondary aim of saving wear on vehicles (in the mining industry drowsy drivers damage truck tires and that s a huge business expense). There are many applications of ML in medical research such as recognising cancer cells in tissue samples. There are many less important uses for ML systems, such as recognising different types of pastries to correctly bill bakery customers technology that was apparently repurposed for recognising cancer cells. The ability to recognise objects in photos is useful. It can be used for people who want to learn about random objects they see and could be used for helping young children learn about their environment. It also has some potential for assistance for visually impaired people, it wouldn t be good for safety critical systems (don t cross a road because a ML system says there are no cars coming) but could be useful for identifying objects (is this a lemon or a lime). The Humane AI pin had some real potential to do good things but there wasn t a suitable business model [2], I think that someone will develop similar technology in a useful way eventually. Even without trying to do what the Humane AI Pin attempted, there are many ways for ML based systems to assist phone and PC use. ML systems allow analysing large quantities of data and giving information that may be correct. When used by a human who knows how to recognise good answers this can be an efficient way of solving problems. I personally have solved many computer problems with the help of LLM systems while skipping over many results that were obviously wrong to me. I believe that any expert in any field that is covered in the LLM input data could find some benefits from getting suggestions from an LLM. It won t necessarily allow them to solve problems that they couldn t solve without it but it can provide them with a set of obviously wrong answers mixed in with some useful tips about where to look for the right answers. Jobs and Politics Noema Magazine has an insightful article about how AI can allow different models of work which can enlarge the middle class [3]. I don t think it s reasonable to expect ML systems to make as much impact on society as the industrial revolution, and the agricultural revolutions which took society from more than 90% farm workers to less than 5%. That doesn t mean everything will be fine but it is something that can seem OK after the changes have happened. I m not saying apart from the death and destruction everything will be good , the death and destruction are optional. Improvements in manufacturing and farming didn t have to involve poverty and death for many people, improvements to agriculture didn t have to involve overcrowding and death from disease. This was an issue of political decisions that were made. The Real Problems of ML Political decisions that are being made now have the aim of making the rich even richer and leaving more people in poverty and in many cases dying due to being unable to afford healthcare. The ML systems that aim to facilitate such things haven t been as successful as evil people have hoped but it will happen and we need appropriate legislation if we aren t going to have revolutions. There are documented cases of suicide being inspired by Chat GPT systems [4]. There have been people inspired towards murder by ChatGPT systems but AFAIK no-one has actually succeeded in such a crime yet. There are serious issues that need to be addressed with the technology and with legal constraints about how people may use it. It s interesting to consider the possible uses of ChatGPT systems for providing suggestions to a psychologist, maybe ChatGPT systems could be used to alleviate mental health problems. The cases of LLM systems being used for cheating on assignments etc isn t a real issue. People have been cheating on assignments since organised education was invented. There is a real problem of ML systems based on biased input data that issue decisions that are the average of the bigotry of the people who provided input. That isn t going to be worse than the current situation of bigoted humans making decisions based on hate and preconceptions but it will be more insidious. It is possible to search for that so for example a bank could test it s mortgage approval ML system by changing one factor at a time (name, gender, age, address, etc) and see if it changes the answer. If it turns out that the ML system is biased on names then the input data could have names removed. If it turns out to be biased about address then there could be weights put in to oppose that. For a long time there has been excessive trust in computers. Computers aren t magic they just do maths really fast and implement choices based on the work of programmers who have all the failings of other humans. Excessive trust in a rule based system is less risky than excessive trust in a ML system where no-one really knows why it makes the decisions it makes. Self driving cars kill people, this is the truth that Tesla stock holders don t want people to know. Companies that try to automate everything with AI are going to be in for some nasty surprises. Getting computers to do everything that humans do in any job is going to be a large portion of an actual intelligent computer which if it is achieved will raise an entirely different set of problems. I ve previously blogged about ML Security [5]. I don t think this will be any worse than all the other computer security problems in the long term, although it will be more insidious. How Will It Go? Companies spending billions of dollars without firm plans for how to make money are going to go bankrupt no matter what business they are in. Companies like Google and Microsoft can waste some billions of dollars on AI Chat systems and still keep going as successful businesses. Companies like OpenAI that do nothing other than such chat systems won t go well. But their assets can be used by new companies when sold at less than 10% the purchase price. Companies like NVidia that have high stock prices based on the supposed ongoing growth in use of their hardware will have their stock prices crash. But the new technology they develop will be used by other people for other purposes. If hospitals can get cheap diagnostic ML systems because of unreasonable investment into AI then that could be a win for humanity. Companies that bet their entire business on AI even when it s not necessarily their core business (as Tesla has done with self driving) will have their stock price crash dramatically at a minimum and have the possibility of bankruptcy. Having Tesla go bankrupt is definitely better than having people try to use them as self driving cars.

2 July 2025

Dirk Eddelbuettel: Rcpp 1.1.0 on CRAN: C++11 now Minimum, Regular Semi-Annual Update

rcpp logo With a friendly Canadian hand wave from vacation in Beautiful British Columbia, and speaking on behalf of the Rcpp Core Team, I am excited to shared that the (regularly scheduled bi-annual) update to Rcpp just brought version 1.1.0 to CRAN. Debian builds haven been prepared and uploaded, Windows and macOS builds should appear at CRAN in the next few days, as will builds in different Linux distribution and of course r2u should catch up tomorrow as well. The key highlight of this release is the switch to C++11 as minimum standard. R itself did so in release 4.0.0 more than half a decade ago; if someone is really tied to an older version of R and an equally old compiler then using an older Rcpp with it has to be acceptable. Our own tests (using continuous integration at GitHub) still go back all the way to R 3.5.* and work fine (with a new-enough compiler). In the previous release post, we commented that we had only reverse dependency (falsely) come up in the tests by CRAN, this time there was none among the well over 3000 packages using Rcpp at CRAN. Which really is quite amazing, and possibly also a testament to our rigorous continued testing of our development and snapshot releases on the key branch. This release continues with the six-months January-July cycle started with release 1.0.5 in July 2020. As just mentioned, we do of course make interim snapshot dev or rc releases available. While we not longer regularly update the Rcpp drat repo, the r-universe page and repo now really fill this role admirably (and with many more builds besides just source). We continue to strongly encourage their use and testing I run my systems with these versions which tend to work just as well, and are of course also fully tested against all reverse-dependencies. Rcpp has long established itself as the most popular way of enhancing R with C or C++ code. Right now, 3038 packages on CRAN depend on Rcpp for making analytical code go faster and further. On CRAN, 13.6% of all packages depend (directly) on Rcpp, and 61.3% of all compiled packages do. From the cloud mirror of CRAN (which is but a subset of all CRAN downloads), Rcpp has been downloaded 100.8 million times. The two published papers (also included in the package as preprint vignettes) have, respectively, 2023 (JSS, 2011) and 380 (TAS, 2018) citations, while the the book (Springer useR!, 2013) has another 695. As mentioned, this release switches to C++11 as the minimum standard. The diffstat display in the CRANberries comparison to the previous release shows how several (generated) sources files with C++98 boilerplate have now been removed; we also flattened a number of if/else sections we no longer need to cater to older compilers (see below for details). We also managed more accommodation for the demands of tighter use of the C API of R by removing DATAPTR and CLOENV use. A number of other changes are detailed below. The full list below details all changes, their respective PRs and, if applicable, issue tickets. Big thanks from all of us to all contributors!

Changes in Rcpp release version 1.1.0 (2025-07-01)
  • Changes in Rcpp API:
    • C++11 is now the required minimal C++ standard
    • The std::string_view type is now covered by wrap() (Lev Kandel in #1356 as discussed in #1357)
    • A last remaining DATAPTR use has been converted to DATAPTR_RO (Dirk in #1359)
    • Under R 4.5.0 or later, R_ClosureEnv is used instead of CLOENV (Dirk in #1361 fixing #1360)
    • Use of lsInternal switched to lsInternal3 (Dirk in #1362)
    • Removed compiler detection macro in a header cleanup setting C++11 as the minunum (Dirk in #1364 closing #1363)
    • Variadic templates are now used onconditionally given C++11 (Dirk in #1367 closing #1366)
    • Remove RCPP_USING_CXX11 as a #define as C++11 is now a given (Dirk in #1369)
    • Additional cleanup for __cplusplus checks (I aki in #1371 fixing #1370)
    • Unordered set construction no longer needs a macro for the pre-C++11 case (I aki in #1372)
    • Lambdas are supported in a Rcpp Sugar functions (I aki in #1373)
    • The Date(time)Vector classes now have default ctor (Dirk in #1385 closing #1384)
    • Fixed an issue where Rcpp::Language would duplicate its arguments (Kevin in #1388, fixing #1386)
  • Changes in Rcpp Attributes:
    • The C++26 standard now has plugin support (Dirk in #1381 closing #1380)
  • Changes in Rcpp Documentation:
    • Several typos were correct in the NEWS file (Ben Bolker in #1354)
    • The Rcpp Libraries vignette mentions PACKAGE_types.h to declare types used in RcppExports.cpp (Dirk in #1355)
    • The vignettes bibliography file was updated to current package versions, and now uses doi references (Dirk in #1389)
  • Changes in Rcpp Deployment:
    • Rcpp.package.skeleton() creates URL and BugReports if given a GitHub username (Dirk in #1358)
    • R 4.4.* has been added to the CI matrix (Dirk in #1376)
    • Tests involving NA propagation are skipped under linux-arm64 as they are under macos-arm (Dirk in #1379 closing #1378)

Thanks to my CRANberries, you can also look at a diff to the previous release Questions, comments etc should go to the rcpp-devel mailing list off the R-Forge page. Bugs reports are welcome at the GitHub issue tracker as well (where one can also search among open or closed issues).

This post by Dirk Eddelbuettel originated on his Thinking inside the box blog. If you like this or other open-source work I do, you can sponsor me at GitHub.

30 June 2025

Otto Kek l inen: Corporate best practices for upstream open source contributions

Featured image of post Corporate best practices for upstream open source contributions
This post is based on presentation given at the Validos annual members meeting on June 25th, 2025.
When I started getting into Linux and open source over 25 years ago, the majority of the software development in this area was done by academics and hobbyists. The number of companies participating in open source has since exploded in parallel with the growth of mobile and cloud software, the majority of which is built on top of open source. For example, Android powers most mobile phones today and is based on Linux. Almost all software used to operate large cloud provider data centers, such as AWS or Google, is either open source or made in-house by the cloud provider. Pretty much all companies, regardless of the industry, have been using open source software at least to some extent for years. However, the degree to which they collaborate with the upstream origins of the software varies. I encourage all companies in a technical industry to start contributing upstream. There are many benefits to having a good relationship with your upstream open source software vendors, both for the short term and especially for the long term. Moreover, with the rollout of CRA in EU in 2025-2027, the law will require software companies to contribute security fixes upstream to the open source projects their products use. To ensure the process is well managed, business-aligned and legally compliant, there are a few do s and don t do s that are important to be aware of.

Maintain your SBOMs For every piece of software, regardless of whether the code was done in-house, from an open source project, or a combination of these, every company needs to produce a Software Bill of Materials (SBOM). The SBOMs provide a standardized and interoperable way to track what software and which versions are used where, what software licenses apply, who holds the copyright of which component, which security fixes have been applied and so forth. A catalog of SBOMs, or equivalent, forms the backbone of software supply-chain management in corporations.

Identify your strategic upstream vendors The SBOMs are likely to reveal that for any piece of non-trivial software, there are hundreds or thousands of upstream open source projects in use. Few organizations have resources to contribute to all of their upstreams. If your organization is just starting to organize upstream contribution activities, identify the key projects that have the largest impact on your business and prioritize forming a relationship with them first. Organizations with a mature contribution process will be collaborating with tens or hundreds of upstreams.

Appoint an internal coordinator and champions Having a written policy on how to contribute upstream will help ensure a consistent process and avoid common pitfalls. However, a written policy alone does not automatically translate into a well-running process. It is highly recommended to appoint at least one internal coordinator who is knowledgeable about how open source communities work, how software licensing and patents work, and is senior enough to have a good sense of what business priorities to optimize for. In small organizations it can be a single person, while larger organizations typically have a full Open Source Programs Office. This coordinator should oversee the contribution process, track all contributions made across the organization, and further optimize the process by working with stakeholders across the business, including legal experts, business owners and CTOs. The marketing and recruiting folks should also be involved, as upstream contributions will have a reputation-building aspect as well, which can be enhanced with systematic tracking and publishing of activities. Additionally, at least in the beginning, the organization should also appoint key staff members as open source champions. Implementing a new process always includes some obstacles and occasional setbacks, which may discourage employees from putting in the extra effort to reap the full long-term benefits for the company. Having named champions will empower them to make the first few contributions themselves, setting a good example and encouraging and mentoring others to contribute upstream as well.

Avoid excessive approvals To maintain a high quality bar, it is always good to have all outgoing submissions reviewed by at least one or two people. Two or three pairs of eyeballs are significantly more likely to catch issues that might slip by someone working alone. The review also slows down the process by a day or two, which gives the author time to sleep on it , which usually helps to ensure the final submission is well-thought-out by the author. Do not require more than one or two reviewers. The marginal utility goes quickly to zero beyond a few reviewers, and at around four or five people the effect becomes negative, as the weight of each approval decreases and the reviewers begin to take less personal responsibility. Having too many people in the loop also makes each feedback round slow and expensive, to the extent that the author will hesitate to make updates and ask for re-reviews due to the costs involved. If the organization experiences setbacks due to mistakes slipping through the review process, do not respond by adding more reviewers, as it will just grind the contribution process to a halt. If there are quality concerns, invest in training for engineers, CI systems and perhaps an internal certification program for those making public upstream code submissions. A typical software engineer is more likely to seriously try to become proficient at their job and put effort into a one-off certification exam and then make multiple high-quality contributions, than it is for a low-skilled engineer to improve and even want to continue doing more upstream contributions if they are burdened by heavy review processes every time they try to submit an upstream contribution.

Don t expect upstream to accept all code contributions Sure, identifying the root cause of and fixing a tricky bug or writing a new feature requires significant effort. While an open source project will certainly appreciate the effort invested, it doesn t mean it will always welcome all contributions with open arms. Occasionally, the project won t agree that the code is correct or the feature is useful, and some contributions are bound to be rejected. You can minimize the chance of experiencing rejections by having a solid internal review process that includes assessing how the upstream community is likely to understand the proposal. Sometimes how things are communicated is more important than how they are coded. Polishing inline comments and git commit messages help ensure high-quality communication, along with a commitment to respond quickly to review feedback and conducting regular follow-ups until a contribution is finalized and accepted.

Start small to grow expertise and reputation In addition to keeping the open source contribution policy lean and nimble, it is also good to start practical contributions with small issues. Don t aim to contribute massive features until you have a track record of being able to make multiple small contributions. Keep in mind that not all open source projects are equal. Each has its own culture, written and unwritten rules, development process, documented requirements (which may be outdated) and more. Starting with a tiny contribution, even just a typo fix, is a good way to validate how code submissions, reviews and approvals work in a particular project. Once you have staff who have successfully landed smaller contributions, you can start planning larger proposals. The exact same proposal might be unsuccessful when proposed by a new person, and successful when proposed by a person who already has a reputation for prior high-quality work.

Embrace all and any publicity you get Some companies have concerns about their employees working in the open. Indeed, every email and code patch an employee submits, and all related discussions become public. This may initially sound scary, but is actually a potential source of good publicity. Employees need to be trained on how to conduct themselves publicly, and the discussions about code should contain only information strictly related to the code, without any references to actual production environments or other sensitive information. In the long run most employees contributing have a positive impact and the company should reap the benefits of positive publicity. If there are quality issues or employee judgment issues, hiding the activity or forcing employees to contribute with pseudonyms is not a proper solution. Instead, the problems should be addressed at the root, and bad behavior addressed rather than tolerated. When people are working publicly, there tends to also be some degree of additional pride involved, which motivates people to try their best. Contributions need to be public for the sponsoring corporation to later be able to claim copyright or licenses. Considering that thousands of companies participate in open source every day, the prevalence of bad publicity is quite low, and the benefits far exceed the risks.

Scratch your own itch When choosing what to contribute, select things that benefit your own company. This is not purely about being selfish - often people working on resolving a problem they suffer from are the same people with the best expertise of what the problem is and what kind of solution is optimal. Also, the issues that are most pressing to your company are more likely to be universally useful to solve than any random bug or feature request in the upstream project s issue tracker.

Remember there are many ways to help upstream While submitting code is often considered the primary way to contribute, please keep in mind there are also other highly impactful ways to contribute. Submitting high-quality bug reports will help developers quickly identify and prioritize issues to fix. Providing good research, benchmarks, statistics or feedback helps guide development and the project make better design decisions. Documentation, translations, organizing events and providing marketing support can help increase adoption and strengthen long-term viability for the project. In some of the largest open source projects there are already far more pending contributions than the core maintainers can process. Therefore, developers who contribute code should also get into the habit of contributing reviews. As Linus law states, given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow. Reviewing other contributors submissions will help improve quality, and also alleviate the pressure on core maintainers who are the only ones providing feedback. Reviewing code submitted by others is also a great learning opportunity for the reviewer. The reviewer does not need to be better than the submitter - any feedback is useful; merely posting review feedback is not the same thing as making an approval decision. Many projects are also happy to accept monetary support and sponsorships. Some offer specific perks in return. By human nature, the largest sponsors always get their voice heard in important decisions, as no open source project wants to take actions that scare away major financial contributors.

Starting is the hardest part Long-term success in open source comes from a positive feedback loop of an ever-increasing number of users and collaborators. As seen in the examples of countless corporations contributing open source, the benefits are concrete, and the process usually runs well after the initial ramp-up and organizational learning phase has passed. In open source ecosystems, contributing upstream should be as natural as paying vendors in any business. If you are using open source and not contributing at all, you likely have latent business risks without realizing it. You don t want to wake up one morning to learn that your top talent left because they were forbidden from participating in open source for the company s benefit, or that you were fined due to CRA violations and mismanagement in sharing security fixes with the correct parties. The faster you start with the process, the less likely those risks will materialize.

25 June 2025

Tollef Fog Heen: Pronoun support in userdir-ldap

Debian uses LDAP for storing information about users, hosts and other objects. The wrapping around this is called userdir-ldap, or ud-ldap for short. It provides a mail gateway, web UI and a couple of schemas for different object types. Back in late 2018 and early 2019, we (DSA) removed support for ISO5218 in userdir-ldap, and removed the corresponding data. This made some people upset, since they were using that information, as imprecise as it was, to infer people s pronouns. ISO5218 has four values for sex, unknown, male, female and N/A. This might have been acceptable when the standard was new (in 1976), but it wasn t acceptable any longer in 2018. A couple of days ago, I finally got around to adding support to userdir-ldap to let people specify their pronouns. As it should be, it s a free-form text field. (We don t have localised fields in LDAP, so it probably makes sense for people to put the English version of their pronouns there, but the software does not try to control that.) So far, it s only exposed through the LDAP gateway, not in the web UI. If you re a Debian developer, you can set your pronouns using
echo "pronouns: he/him"   gpg --clearsign   mail changes@db.debian.org
I see that four people have already done so in the time I ve taken to write this post.

24 June 2025

Matthew Garrett: Why is there no consistent single signon API flow?

Single signon is a pretty vital part of modern enterprise security. You have users who need access to a bewildering array of services, and you want to be able to avoid the fallout of one of those services being compromised and your users having to change their passwords everywhere (because they're clearly going to be using the same password everywhere), or you want to be able to enforce some reasonable MFA policy without needing to configure it in 300 different places, or you want to be able to disable all user access in one place when someone leaves the company, or, well, all of the above. There's any number of providers for this, ranging from it being integrated with a more general app service platform (eg, Microsoft or Google) or a third party vendor (Okta, Ping, any number of bizarre companies). And, in general, they'll offer a straightforward mechanism to either issue OIDC tokens or manage SAML login flows, requiring users present whatever set of authentication mechanisms you've configured.

This is largely optimised for web authentication, which doesn't seem like a huge deal - if I'm logging into Workday then being bounced to another site for auth seems entirely reasonable. The problem is when you're trying to gate access to a non-web app, at which point consistency in login flow is usually achieved by spawning a browser and somehow managing submitting the result back to the remote server. And this makes some degree of sense - browsers are where webauthn token support tends to live, and it also ensures the user always has the same experience.

But it works poorly for CLI-based setups. There's basically two options - you can use the device code authorisation flow, where you perform authentication on what is nominally a separate machine to the one requesting it (but in this case is actually the same) and as a result end up with a straightforward mechanism to have your users socially engineered into giving Johnny Badman a valid auth token despite webauthn nominally being unphisable (as described years ago), or you reduce that risk somewhat by spawning a local server and POSTing the token back to it - which works locally but doesn't work well if you're dealing with trying to auth on a remote device. The user experience for both scenarios sucks, and it reduces a bunch of the worthwhile security properties that modern MFA supposedly gives us.

There's a third approach, which is in some ways the obviously good approach and in other ways is obviously a screaming nightmare. All the browser is doing is sending a bunch of requests to a remote service and handling the response locally. Why don't we just do the same? Okta, for instance, has an API for auth. We just need to submit the username and password to that and see what answer comes back. This is great until you enable any kind of MFA, at which point the additional authz step is something that's only supported via the browser. And basically everyone else is the same.

Of course, when we say "That's only supported via the browser", the browser is still just running some code of some form and we can figure out what it's doing and do the same. Which is how you end up scraping constants out of Javascript embedded in the API response in order to submit that data back in the appropriate way. This is all possible but it's incredibly annoying and fragile - the contract with the identity provider is that a browser is pointed at a URL, not that any of the internal implementation remains consistent.

I've done this. I've implemented code to scrape an identity provider's auth responses to extract the webauthn challenges and feed those to a local security token without using a browser. I've also written support for forwarding those challenges over the SSH agent protocol to make this work with remote systems that aren't running a GUI. This week I'm working on doing the same again, because every identity provider does all of this differently.

There's no fundamental reason all of this needs to be custom. It could be a straightforward "POST username and password, receive list of UUIDs describing MFA mechanisms, define how those MFA mechanisms work". That even gives space for custom auth factors (I'm looking at you, Okta Fastpass). But instead I'm left scraping JSON blobs out of Javascript and hoping nobody renames a field, even though I only care about extremely standard MFA mechanisms that shouldn't differ across different identity providers.

Someone, please, write a spec for this. Please don't make it be me.

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22 June 2025

Sahil Dhiman: Case of (broken) maharashtra.gov.in Authoritative Name Servers

Maharashtra is a state here in India, which has Mumbai, the financial capital of India, as its capital. maharashtra.gov.in is the official website of the State Government of Maharashtra. We re going to talk about authoritative name servers serving it (and bunch of child zones under maharashtra.gov.in). Here s a simple trace for the main domain:
$ dig +trace maharashtra.gov.in
; <<>> DiG 9.18.33-1~deb12u2-Debian <<>> +trace maharashtra.gov.in
;; global options: +cmd
.            33128    IN    NS    j.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    h.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    l.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    k.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    i.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    g.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    f.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    e.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    b.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    d.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    c.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    m.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    NS    a.root-servers.net.
.            33128    IN    RRSIG    NS 8 0 518400 20250704050000 20250621040000 53148 . pGxGZftwj+6VNTSQtstTKVN95Z7/b5Q8GSjRCXI68GoVYbVai9HNelxs OGIRKL4YmSrsiSsndXuEsBuvL9QvQ+qbybNLkekJUAiicKYNgr3KM3+X 69rsS9KxHgT2T8/oqG8KN8EJLJ8VkuM2PJ2HfSKijtF7ULtgBbERNQ4i u2I/wQ7elOyeF2M76iEOa7UGhgiBHSBqPulsbpnB//WbKL71yyFhWSk0 tiFEPuZM+iLrN2qBsElriF4kkw37uRHq8sSGcCjfBVdkpbb3/Sb3sIgN /zKU17f+hOvuBQTDr5qFIymqGAENA5UZ2RQjikk6+zK5EfBUXNpq1+oo 2y64DQ==
;; Received 525 bytes from 9.9.9.9#53(9.9.9.9) in 3 ms
in.            172800    IN    NS    ns01.trs-dns.com.
in.            172800    IN    NS    ns01.trs-dns.net.
in.            172800    IN    NS    ns10.trs-dns.org.
in.            172800    IN    NS    ns10.trs-dns.info.
in.            86400    IN    DS    48140 8 2 5EE4748C2069B99C98BC39A56881A64AF17CC78711E6297D43AC5A4F 4B5BB6E5
in.            86400    IN    RRSIG    DS 8 1 86400 20250704050000 20250621040000 53148 . jkCotYosapreoKKPvr9zPOEDECYVe9OtJLjkQbFfTin8uYbm/kdWzieW CkN5sabif5IHTFU4FEVOShfu4DFeUolhNav56TPKjGqEGjQ7qCghpqTj dNN4iY2s8BcJ2ujHwhm6HRfdbQRVoKYQ73UUZ+oWSute6lXWHE9+Snk2 1ZCAYPdZ2s1s7NZhrZW2YXVw/nHIcRl/rHqWIQ9sgUlsd6MwmahcAAG+ v15HG9Q48rCG1A2gJlJPbxWpVe0EUEu8LzDsp+ORqy1pHhzgJynrJHJz qMiYU0egv2j7xVPSoQHXjx3PG2rsOLNnqDBYCA+piEXOLsY3d+7c1SZl w9u66g==
;; Received 679 bytes from 199.7.83.42#53(l.root-servers.net) in 3 ms
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns8.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns9.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns10.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns18.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns20.maharashtra.gov.in.
npk19skvsdmju264d4ono0khqf7eafqv.gov.in. 300 IN    NSEC3 1 1 0 - P0KKR4BMBGLJDOKBGBI0KDM39DSM0EA4 NS SOA MX TXT RRSIG DNSKEY NSEC3PARAM
npk19skvsdmju264d4ono0khqf7eafqv.gov.in. 300 IN    RRSIG NSEC3 8 3 300 20250626140337 20250528184339 48544 gov.in. Khcq3n1Jn34HvuBEZExusVqoduEMH6DzqkWHk9dFkM+q0RVBYBHBbW+u LsSnc2/Rqc3HAYutk3EZeS+kXVF07GA/A486dr17Hqf3lHszvG/MNT/s CJfcdrqO0Q8NZ9NQxvAwWo44bCPaECQV+fhznmIaVSgbw7de9xC6RxWG ZFcsPYwYt07yB5neKa99RlVvJXk4GHX3ISxiSfusCNOuEKGy5cMxZg04 4PbYsP0AQNiJWALAduq2aNs80FQdWweLhd2swYuZyfsbk1nSXJQcYbTX aONc0VkYFeEJzTscX8/wNbkJeoLP0r/W2ebahvFExl3NYpb7b2rMwGBY omC/QA==
npk19skvsdmju264d4ono0khqf7eafqv.gov.in. 300 IN    RRSIG NSEC3 13 3 300 20250718144138 20250619135610 22437 gov.in. mbj7td3E6YE7kIhYoSlDTZR047TXY3Z60NY0aBwU7obyg5enBQU9j5nl GUxn9zUiwVUzei7v5GIPxXS7XDpk7g==
6bflkoouitlvj011i2mau7ql5pk61sks.gov.in. 300 IN    NSEC3 1 1 0 - 78S0UO5LI1KV1SVMH1889FHUCNC40U6T TXT RRSIG
6bflkoouitlvj011i2mau7ql5pk61sks.gov.in. 300 IN    RRSIG NSEC3 8 3 300 20250626133905 20250528184339 48544 gov.in. M2yPThQpX0sEf4klooQ06h+rLR3e3Q/BqDTSFogyTIuGwjgm6nwate19 jGmgCeWCYL3w/oxsg1z7SfCvDBCXOObH8ftEBOfLe8/AGHAEkWFSu3e0 s09Ccoz8FJiCfBJbbZK5Vf4HWXtBLfBq+ncGCEE24tCQLXaS5cT85BxZ Zne6Y6u8s/WPgo8jybsvlGnL4QhIPlW5UkHDs7cLLQSwlkZs3dwxyHTn EgjNWClhghGXP9nlvOlnDjUkmacEYeq5ItnCQjYPl4uwh9fBJ9CD/8LV K+Tn3+dgqDBek6+2HRzjGs59NzuHX8J9wVFxP7/nd+fUgaSgz+sST80O vrXlHA==
6bflkoouitlvj011i2mau7ql5pk61sks.gov.in. 300 IN    RRSIG NSEC3 13 3 300 20250718141148 20250619135610 22437 gov.in. raWzWsQnPkXYtr2v1SRH/fk2dEAv/K85NH+06pNUwkxPxQk01nS8eYlq BPQ41b26kikg8mNOgr2ULlBpJHb1OQ==
couldn't get address for 'ns18.maharashtra.gov.in': not found
couldn't get address for 'ns20.maharashtra.gov.in': not found
;; Received 1171 bytes from 2620:171:813:1534:8::1#53(ns10.trs-dns.org) in 0 ms
;; communications error to 10.187.202.24#53: timed out
;; communications error to 10.187.202.24#53: timed out
;; communications error to 10.187.202.24#53: timed out
;; communications error to 10.187.202.28#53: timed out
;; communications error to 10.187.203.201#53: timed out
;; no servers could be reached
Quick takeaways: It s a hit or miss for this DNS query resolution.

Looking at in zone data Let s look at NS added in zone itself (with 9.9.9.9):
$ dig ns maharashtra.gov.in
; <<>> DiG 9.18.33-1~deb12u2-Debian <<>> ns maharashtra.gov.in
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 172
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 3
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;maharashtra.gov.in.        IN    NS
;; ANSWER SECTION:
maharashtra.gov.in.    300    IN    NS    ns8.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    300    IN    NS    ns9.maharashtra.gov.in.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns9.maharashtra.gov.in.    300    IN    A    10.187.202.24
ns8.maharashtra.gov.in.    300    IN    A    10.187.202.28
;; Query time: 180 msec
;; SERVER: 9.9.9.9#53(9.9.9.9) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Sat Jun 21 23:00:49 IST 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 115
Pay special attention to ADDITIONAL SECTION . Running dig ns9.maharashtra.gov.in and dig ns8.maharashtra.gov.in, return RFC 1918 ie these private addresses. This is coming from zone itself, so in zone A records of NS8 and NS9 point to 10.187.202.28 and 10.187.202.24 respectively. Cloudflare s 1.1.1.1 has a slightly different version:
$ dig ns maharashtra.gov.in @1.1.1.1
; <<>> DiG 9.18.33-1~deb12u2-Debian <<>> ns maharashtra.gov.in @1.1.1.1
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 36005
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;maharashtra.gov.in.        IN    NS
;; ANSWER SECTION:
maharashtra.gov.in.    300    IN    NS    ns8.
maharashtra.gov.in.    300    IN    NS    ns10.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    300    IN    NS    ns9.
;; Query time: 7 msec
;; SERVER: 1.1.1.1#53(1.1.1.1) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Sun Jun 22 10:38:30 IST 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 100
Interesting response here for sure :D. The reason for difference between response from 1.1.1.1 and 9.9.9.9 is in the next section.

Looking at parent zone gov.in is the parent zone here. Tucows is operator for gov.in as well as .in ccTLD zone:
$ dig ns gov.in +short
ns01.trs-dns.net.
ns01.trs-dns.com.
ns10.trs-dns.org.
ns10.trs-dns.info.
Let s take a look at what parent zone (NS) hold:
$ dig ns maharashtra.gov.in @ns01.trs-dns.net.
; <<>> DiG 9.18.36 <<>> ns maharashtra.gov.in @ns01.trs-dns.net.
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 56535
;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 6
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
; COOKIE: f13027aa39632404010000006856fa2a9c97d6bbc973ba4f (good)
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;maharashtra.gov.in.        IN    NS
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns8.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns18.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns10.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns9.maharashtra.gov.in.
maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    NS    ns20.maharashtra.gov.in.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns20.maharashtra.gov.in. 900    IN    A    52.183.143.210
ns18.maharashtra.gov.in. 900    IN    A    35.154.30.166
ns10.maharashtra.gov.in. 900    IN    A    164.100.128.234
ns9.maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    A    103.23.150.89
ns8.maharashtra.gov.in.    900    IN    A    103.23.150.88
;; Query time: 28 msec
;; SERVER: 64.96.2.1#53(ns01.trs-dns.net.) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Sun Jun 22 00:00:02 IST 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 248
The ADDITIONAL SECTION gives a completely different picture (different from in zone NSes). Maybe this was how it was supposed to be, but none of the IPs listed for NS10, NS18 and NS20 are responding to any DNS query. Assuming NS8 as 103.23.150.88 and NS9 as 103.23.150.89, checking SOA on each gives following:
$ dig soa maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.88 +short
ns8.maharashtra.gov.in. postmaster.maharashtra.gov.in. 2013116777 1200 600 1296000 300
$ dig soa maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.89 +short
ns8.maharashtra.gov.in. postmaster.maharashtra.gov.in. 2013116757 1200 600 1296000 300
NS8 (which is marked as primary in SOA) has serial 2013116777 and NS9 is on serial 2013116757, so looks like the sync (IXFR/AXFR) between primary and secondary is broken. That s why NS8 and NS9 are serving different responses, evident from the following:
$ dig ns8.maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.88 +short
103.23.150.88
$ dig ns8.maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.89 +short
10.187.202.28
$ dig ns9.maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.88 +short
103.23.150.89
$ dig ns9.maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.89 +short
10.187.202.24
$ dig ns maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.88 +short
ns9.
ns8.
ns10.maharashtra.gov.in.
$ dig ns maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.89 +short
ns9.maharashtra.gov.in.
ns8.maharashtra.gov.in.
$ dig ns10.maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.88 +short
10.187.203.201
$ dig ns10.maharashtra.gov.in @103.23.150.89 +short
# No/empty response ^
This is the reason for difference in 1.1.1.1 and 9.9.9.9 responses in previous section.

To summarize:
  • Primary and secondary NS aren t in sync. Serials aren t matching, while NS8 and NS9 are responding differently for same queries.
  • NSes have A records with private address, not reachable on the internet, so lame servers.
  • Incomplete NS address, not even FQDN in some cases.
  • Difference between NS delegated in parent zone and NS added in actual zone.
  • Name resolution works in very particular order (in my initial trace it failed).
Initially, I thought of citing RFCs, but I don t really think it s even required. 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8 and 9.9.9.9 are handling (lame servers, this probelm) well, handing out the A record for the main website, so dig maharashtra.gov.in would mostly pass and that was the reason I started this post with +trace to recurse the complete zone to show the problem. For later reference:
$ dig maharashtra.gov.in @8.8.8.8 +short
103.8.188.109

Email to SOA address I have sent the following email to address listed in SOA:
Subject - maharashtra.gov.in authoritative DNS servers not reachable Hello, I wanted to highlight the confusing state of maharashtra.gov.in authoritative DNS servers. Parent zone list following as name servers for your DNS zone:
  • ns8.maharashtra.gov.in.
  • ns18.maharashtra.gov.in.
  • ns10.maharashtra.gov.in.
  • ns9.maharashtra.gov.in.
  • ns20.maharashtra.gov.in.
Out of these, ns18 and ns20 don t have public A/AAAA records and are thus not reachable. ns10 keeps on shuffling between NO A record and 10.187.203.201 (private, not reachable address). ns8 keeps on shuffling between 103.23.150.88 and 10.187.202.28 (private, not reachable address). ns9 keeps on shuffling between 103.23.150.89 and 10.187.202.24 (private, not reachable address). These are leading to long, broken, or no DNS resolution for the website(s). Can you take a look at the problem? Regards, Sahil
I ll update here if I get a response. Hopefully, they ll listen and fix their problem.

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