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23 July 2025

Russell Coker: Annoying Wrongness on TV

One thing that annoys me on TV shows and movies is getting the details wrong. Yes it s fiction and yes some things can t be done correctly and in some situations correctly portraying things goes against the plot. But otherwise I think they should try to make it accurate. I was just watching The Americans (a generally good show that I recommend watching) and in Season 4 Episode 9 there s a close up of a glass of wine which clearly shows that the Tears of Wine effect is missing, the liquid in the glass obviously has the surface tension of water not of wine. When they run a show about spies then have to expect that the core audience will be the type of detail oriented people who notice these things. Having actors not actually drink alcohol on set is a standard practice, if they have to do 10 takes of someone drinking a glass of wine then that would be a problem if they actually drank real wine. But they could substitute real wine for the close up shots and of course just getting it right the first time is a good option. Some ridiculous inaccuracy we just need to deal with, like knives making a schwing sound when pulled out of scabbards and silenced guns usually still being quite loud (so many people are used to it being wrong). Organisations like the KGB had guns that were actually silent, but they generally looked obviously different to regular guns and had a much lower effective range. The gold coins shown on TV are another ridiculous thing. The sound of metal hitting something depends on how hard it is and how dense it is. Surely most people have heard the sounds of dropping steel nuts and ball bearings and the sound of dropping lead sinkers and knows that the sounds of items of similar size and shape differ greatly based on density and hardness. A modern coin made of copper, cupro-nickel (the current silver coins), or copper-aluminium (the current gold coins) sounds very different to a gold coin when dropped on a bench. For a show like The Witcher it wouldn t be difficult to make actual gold coins of a similar quality to iron age coin production, any jeweller could make the blanks and making stamps hard enough to press gold isn t an engineering challenge (stamping copper coins would be much more difficult). The coins used for the show could be sold to fans afterwards. Once coins are made they can t be just heaped up. Even if you are a sorcerer you probably couldn t fill a barrel a meter high with gold coins and not have it break from the weight and/or have the coins at the bottom cold welded. Gold coins are supposed to have a precise amount of gold and if you pile them up too high then the cold welding process will transfer gold between coins changing the value. If someone was going to have a significant quantity of gold stored then it would be in gold ingots with separators between layers to prevent cold welding. Movies tend not to show coins close up, I presume that s because they considered it too difficult to make coins and they just use some random coins from their own country. Another annoying thing is shows that don t match up the build dates of objects used. It s nice when they get it right like the movie Titanic featuring a M1911 pistol which is something that a rich person in 1912 would likely have. The series Carnival Row (which I recommend) has weapons that mostly match our WW1 era, everything that doesn t involve magic seems legit. One of the worst examples of this is the movie Anna (by Luc Besson which is mostly a recreation of his film Nikita but in the early 90s and with the KGB). That film features laptops with color screens and USB ports before USB was invented and when color screens weren t common on laptops, as an aside military spec laptops tend to have older designs than consumer spec ones. I ve mostly given up on hoping that movies will get hacking scenes that are any more accurate than knives making a schwing sound. But it shouldn t be that hard for them to find computer gear that was manufactured in the right year to use for the film. Why can t they hire experts on technology to check everything?

21 July 2025

Jonathan Dowland: Nine Inch Nails, Paris, 2025-07-07

On July 7th I did a quick one-day trip to Paris to watch Nine Inch Nails, who were performing one of their last shows for the European leg of the tour. I'd missed all the UK dates, which were announced after I was committed to a family holiday. The setup for these shows differs a lot from the norm. First, the support act was German-Iraqi techno DJ Boys Noize, who TR&AR had collaborated with on their soundtrack for the recent movie Challengers. BN did a 75-minute opening set:
Stripped down Set 1 Stripped down Set 1
The main gig was divided into four acts. Act 1 took place on a square "B Stage", situated in the middle of the main floor. Trent and 2-3 band members performed three stripped-down songs, with interpolations to other songs, alternative lyrics, and the like. I enjoyed this section more than I expected to.
Main stage lighting Main stage lighting
They then transition to the main stage for a six-song full-band set. The main stage was draped in layers of transparent curtains. One of the team was on-stage, walking around with a video camera, and the live camera footage was processed and projected onto the curtains in realtime. The visuals were truly fantastic. For the third act, Trent and Atticus returned to the B stage, to be joined by Boys Noize, who then performed four songs in a reworked, remixed, electronic dance format. This ended up being the highlight of the gig for me. I felt the reworkings breathed new life into some old songs.
remix Set 3 remix Set 3
Finally, back to the main stage to close out with a final seven songs. The traditional triad of closers was adjusted, substituting "The Hand That Feeds" for "The Perfect Drug"; a song that wasn't played at all from 1997 to 2018, and has now become a regular fixture. Several tapers recorded the show, and their recordings are up at nin.live. Overall it was great fun: I ended up flying via London and the airport time was a bit of a pain, but I did get a good start on my corrections. I was home the next afternoon. I'm trying not to think of the cost.

20 July 2025

Michael Prokop: What to expect from Debian/trixie #newintrixie

Trixie Banner, Copyright 2024 Elise Couper Update on 2025-07-28: added note about Debian 13/trixie support for OpenVox (thanks, Ben Ford!) Debian v13 with codename trixie is scheduled to be published as new stable release on 9th of August 2025. I was the driving force at several of my customers to be well prepared for the upcoming stable release (my efforts for trixie started in August 2024). On the one hand, to make sure packages we care about are available and actually make it into the release. On the other hand, to ensure there are no severe issues that make it into the release and to get proper and working upgrades. So far everything is looking pretty well and working fine, the efforts seemed to have payed off. :) As usual with major upgrades, there are some things to be aware of, and hereby I m starting my public notes on trixie that might be worth for other folks. My focus is primarily on server systems and looking at things from a sysadmin perspective. Further readings As usual start at the official Debian release notes, make sure to especially go through What s new in Debian 13 + issues to be aware of for trixie (strongly recommended read!). Package versions As a starting point, let s look at some selected packages and their versions in bookworm vs. trixie as of 2025-07-20 (mainly having amd64 in mind):
Package bookworm/v12 trixie/v13
ansible 2.14.3 2.19.0
apache 2.4.62 2.4.64
apt 2.6.1 3.0.3
bash 5.2.15 5.2.37
ceph 16.2.11 18.2.7
docker 20.10.24 26.1.5
dovecot 2.3.19 2.4.1
dpkg 1.21.22 1.22.21
emacs 28.2 30.1
gcc 12.2.0 14.2.0
git 2.39.5 2.47.2
golang 1.19 1.24
libc 2.36 2.41
linux kernel 6.1 6.12
llvm 14.0 19.0
lxc 5.0.2 6.0.4
mariadb 10.11 11.8
nginx 1.22.1 1.26.3
nodejs 18.13 20.19
openjdk 17.0 21.0
openssh 9.2p1 10.0p1
openssl 3.0 3.5
perl 5.36.0 5.40.1
php 8.2+93 8.4+96
podman 4.3.1 5.4.2
postfix 3.7.11 3.10.3
postgres 15 17
puppet 7.23.0 8.10.0
python3 3.11.2 3.13.5
qemu/kvm 7.2 10.0
rsync 3.2.7 3.4.1
ruby 3.1 3.3
rust 1.63.0 1.85.0
samba 4.17.12 4.22.3
systemd 252.36 257.7-1
unattended-upgrades 2.9.1 2.12
util-linux 2.38.1 2.41
vagrant 2.3.4 2.3.7
vim 9.0.1378 9.1.1230
zsh 5.9 5.9
Misc unsorted apt The new apt version 3.0 brings several new features, including: systemd systemd got upgraded from v252.36-1~deb12u1 to 257.7-1 and there are lots of changes. Be aware that systemd v257 has a new net.naming_scheme, v257 being PCI slot number is now read from firmware_node/sun sysfs file. The naming scheme based on devicetree aliases was extended to support aliases for individual interfaces of controllers with multiple ports. This might affect you, see e.g. #1092176 and #1107187, the Debian Wiki provides further useful information. There are new systemd tools available: The tools provided by systemd gained several new options: Debian s systemd ships new binary packages: Linux Kernel The trixie release ships a Linux kernel based on latest longterm version 6.12. As usual there are lots of changes in the kernel area, including better hardware support, and this might warrant a separate blog entry. To highlight some changes with Debian trixie: See Kernelnewbies.org for further changes between kernel versions. Configuration management For puppet users, Debian provides the puppet-agent (v8.10.0), puppetserver (v8.7.0) and puppetdb (v8.4.1) packages. Puppet s upstream does not provide packages for trixie, yet. Given how long it took them for Debian bookworm, and with their recent Plans for Open Source Puppet in 2025, it s unclear when (and whether at all) we might get something. As a result of upstream behavior, also the OpenVox project evolved, and they already provide Debian 13/trixie support (https://apt.voxpupuli.org/openvox8-release-debian13.deb). FYI: the AIO puppet-agent package for bookworm (v7.34.0-1bookworm) so far works fine for me on Debian/trixie. Be aware that due to the apt-key removal you need a recent version of the puppetlabs-apt for usage with trixie. The puppetlabs-ntp module isn t yet ready for trixie (regarding ntp/ntpsec), if you should depend on that. ansible is available and made it with version 2.19 into trixie. Prometheus stack Prometheus server was updated from v2.42.0 to v2.53, and all the exporters that got shipped with bookworm are still around (in more recent versions of course). Trixie gained some new exporters: Virtualization docker (v26.1.5), ganeti (v3.1.0), libvirt (v11.3.0, be aware of significant changes to libvirt packaging), lxc (v6.0.4), podman (v5.4.2), openstack (see openstack-team on Salsa), qemu/kvm (v10.0.2), xen (v4.20.0) are all still around. Proxmox already announced their PVE 9.0 BETA, being based on trixie and providing 6.14.8-1 kernel, QEMU 10.0.2, LXC 6.0.4, OpenZFS 2.3.3. Vagrant is available in version 2.3.7, but Vagrant upstream does not provide packages for trixie yet. Given that HashiCorp adopted the BSL, the future of vagrant in Debian is unclear. If you re relying on VirtualBox, be aware that upstream doesn t provide packages for trixie, yet. VirtualBox is available from Debian/unstable (version 7.1.12-dfsg-1 as of 2025-07-20), but not shipped with stable release since quite some time (due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases, see #794466). Be aware that starting with Linux kernel 6.12, KVM initializes virtualization on module loading by default. This prevents VirtualBox VMs from starting. In order to avoid this, either add kvm.enable_virt_at_load=0 parameter into kernel command line or unload the corresponding kvm_intel / kvm_amd module. If you want to use Vagrant with VirtualBox on trixie, be aware that Debian s vagrant package as present in trixie doesn t support the VirtualBox package version 7.1 as present in Debian/unstable (manually patching vagrant s meta.rb and rebuilding the package without Breaks: virtualbox (>= 7.1) is known to be working). util-linux The are plenty of new options available in the tools provided by util-linux: Now no longer present in util-linux as of trixie: The following binaries got moved from util-linux to the util-linux-extra package: And the util-linux-extra package also provides new tools: OpenSSH OpenSSH was updated from v9.2p1 to 10.0p1-5, so if you re interested in all the changes, check out the release notes between those versions (9.3, 9.4, 9.5, 9.6, 9.7, 9.8, 9.9 + 10.0). Let s highlight some notable behavior changes in Debian: There are some notable new features: Thanks to everyone involved in the release, looking forward to trixie + and happy upgrading!
Let s continue with working towards Debian/forky. :)

17 July 2025

Birger Schacht: My first tag2upload upload

Following the DebConf25 talk by Ian Jackson tag2upload - upload simply by pushing a signed git tag I decided to use the quiet time during the day of the DayTrip on DebConf 25 to try out uploading a package using tag2upload. Given the current freeze a couple of the packages I maintainer have new releases waiting. I decided on uploading the new version of labwc to experimental. Labwc is a Wayland compositor based on the wlroots compositor library (the library that sway is using). Labwc is inspired by the Openbox window manager. The upstream team of Labwc released version 0.9.0 last week, the first version that is based on wlroots 0.19.x. Wlroots 0.19.x is also only available in experimental, so that was a good fit for trying an upload with tag2upload. I first used my usual workflow, going into my package repository, doing get fetch origin, checking out the tag of the new release and tagging that with git tag upstream/0.9.0. Then I bumped the version in the debian/experimental branch, adapted the debian/control file for the changed wlroots dependency, committed and built the package using git-buildpackage to check if it builds fine and there are no lintian errors. Then I moved on to look at tag2upload. As a starting point for using tag2upload I read the blogpost by Jonathan Carter My first tag2upload upload. It pointed me to one very important option of git debpush, namely the --baredebian option which I have to use because I use the bare Debian git layout. Given that the last upload of labwc I did was to unstable, I also had to add the --force=changed-suite. I also started right away to use the --tag-only option, because for my first tests I only wanted to have local changes and nothing pushed to anywhere. I also used the --dry-run option. This led to the following command:
> git debpush --baredebian --force=changed-suite --dry-run --tag-only
tags 0.9.0, upstream/0.9.0 all exist in this repository
tell me which one you want to make an orig.tar from: git deborig --just-print '--version=0.9.0-1' TAG
git-debpush: git-deborig failed; maybe try git-debpush --upstream=TAG
This was a bit confusing, because the error message talked about git-deborig, but I was using git-debpush. I also did not want to make an orig.tar! The --upstream option in the git-debpush(1) manual gave an explanation for this:
When pushing a non-native package, git-debpush needs a tag for the upstream part of your package. By default git-debpush asks git-deborig(1), which searches for a suitable tag based on the upstream version in debian/changelog.
So apparently git-debpush can not find out what the correct tag for the upstream version is, because git-deborig can not find out what the correct tag for the upstream version is. git-debpush simply calls git deborig --just-print --version="$version" in line 437. This fails because I initially created a second upstream/0.9.0 to the existing 0.9.0 release tag. I do this for git-buildpackage to find the upstream sources, but with multiple tags git-deborig is not sure which one is the tag it should use (although both point to the same commit). So I removed the upstream/0.9.0 tag and ran git debpush again and now there was no error message (besides the warning regarding the changed suite) but it also did not give an feedback about what is happening. So I tried without the --dry-run option. Again, no output whatsoever, other than the warning about the changed release, BUT my gnupg asked me for permission to sign via my yubikey! And when I looked at the list of tags, I saw that there is now a debian/0.9.0-1 tag that was not there before! Looking at the tag I saw that it was a tag in the format described in the tag2upload(5) manual page, containing the following lines:
labwc release 0.9.0-1 for experimental
[dgit distro=debian split --quilt=baredebian]
[dgit please-upload source=labwc version=0.9.0-1 upstream-tag=0.9.0 upstream=4beee3851f75b53afc2e8699c594c0cc222115bd]
and the tag was signed by me. The 4beee3851f75b53afc2e8699c594c0cc222115bd commit ID is the commit the 0.9.0 tag points to. Now that I had a signed commit tag in the correct format, I went to the labwc packaging repository on salsa and enabled the webhook to trigger the tag2upload service (I just saw that the documentation was updated and there is now a global webhook on salsa, so this step is not needed anymore). Finally I pushed the tags using git push --tags. I could also have used git-debpush for this step, but I d rather use git directly. I then looked at the tag2upload queue and saw how a worker built and uploaded the newest labwc release and I also got an email from the tag2upload service [tag2upload 275] uploaded labwc 0.9.0-1. And a couple of minutes later I got the confirmation that labwc 0.9.0-1 was accepted into experimental. Great! So, to conclude: for tag2upload to work we simply need a git tag in the correct format. The tag2upload service now gets triggered by every pushed tag on salsa but only acts on tags that adhere to the tag2upload(5) format. git-debpush is a simply bash script that creates such a tag and by default also pushes the tag. I think the script could be a bit more verbose, for example telling me that it created a tag and the name of that tag. I think the dependency on git-deborig is also a problem. I use git-buildpackage to build my packages and by default git-buildpacakge assumes upstream tags are of the form upstream/%(version)s (source). I could now change that for all the packages I maintain, but I also think it makes sense to control the tag myself and not use a tag that is controlled by upstream. Upstream could change or delete that tag or I might need to create a tag for a version that is not tagged by upstream. I also think git-debpush is a rather mileading command name, given that the main task of the script is to create a tag in the correct format. Other than that, I m pretty happy about this service. I have a rather crappy uplink at home and it is not so uncommon for my uploads to fail because the connection dropped during dput. Using a simple git based upload approach makes these problems a thing of the past. I might look into other ways to create the needed tag, though.

Otto Kek l inen: Debcraft Easiest way to modify and build Debian packages

Featured image of post Debcraft   Easiest way to modify and build Debian packagesDebian packaging is notoriously hard. Far too many new contributors give up while trying, and many long-time contributors leave due to burnout from having to do too many thankless maintenance tasks. Some just skip testing their changes properly because it feels like too much toil. Debcraft is my attempt to solve this by automating all the boring stuff, and making it easier to learn the correct practices and helping new and old packagers better track changes in both source code and build artifacts.

The challenge of declarative packaging code Unlike how rpm or apk packages are done, the deb package sources by design avoid having one massive procedural packaging recipe. Instead, the packaging is defined in multiple declarative files in the debian/ subdirectory. For example, instead of a script running install -m 755 bin/btop /usr/bin/btop there is a file debian/btop.install containing the line usr/bin/btop. This makes the overall system more robust and reliable, and allows, for example, extensive static analysis to find problems without having to build the package. The notable exception is the debian/rules file, which contains procedural code that can modify any aspect of the package build. Almost all other files are declarative. Benefits include, among others, that the effect of a Debian-wide policy change can be relatively easily predicted by scanning what attributes and configurations all packages have declared. The drawback is that to understand the syntax and meaning of each file, one must understand which build tools read which files and traverse potentially multiple layers of abstraction. In my view, this is the root cause for most of the perceived complexity.

Common complaints about .deb packaging Related to the above, people learning Debian packaging frequently voice the following complaints:
  • Debian has too many tools to learn, often with overlapping or duplicate functionality.
  • Too much outdated and inconsistent documentation that makes learning the numerous tools needlessly hard.
  • Lack of documentation of the generally agreed best practices, mainly due to Debian s reluctance as a project to pick one tool and deprecate the alternatives.
  • Multiple layers of abstraction and lack of clarity on what any single change in the debian/ subdirectory leads to in the final package.
  • Requirement of Debian packages to be developed on a Debian system.

How Debcraft solves (some of) this Debcraft is intentionally opinionated for the sake of simplicity, and makes heavy use of git, git-buildpackage, and most importantly Linux containers, supporting both Docker and Podman. By using containers, Debcraft frees the user from the requirement of having to run Debian. This makes .deb packaging more accessible to developers running some other Linux distro or even Mac or Windows (with WSL). Of course we want developers to run Debian (or a derivative like Ubuntu) but we want them even more to build, test and ship their software as .deb. Even for Debian/Ubuntu users having everything done inside clean hermetic containers of the latest target distribution version will yield more robust, secure and reproducible builds and tests. All containers are built automatically on-the-fly using best practices for layer caching, making everything easy and fast. Debcraft has simple commands to make it easy to build, rebuild, test and update packages. The most fundamental command is debcraft build, which will not only build the package but also fetch the sources if not already present, and with flags such as --distribution or --source-only build for any requested Debian or Ubuntu release, or generate source packages only for Debian or PPA upload purposes. For ease of use, the output is colored and includes helpful explanations on what is being done, and suggests relevant Debian documentation for more information. Most importantly, the build artifacts, along with various logs, are stored in separate directories, making it easy to compare before and after to see what changed as a result of the code or dependency updates (utilizing diffoscope among others). While the above helps to debug successful builds, there is also the debcraft shell command to make debugging failed builds significantly easier by dropping into a shell where one can run various dh commands one-by-one. Once the build works, testing autopkgtests is as easy as running debcraft test. As with all other commands, Debcraft is smart enough to read information like the target distribution from the debian/changelog entry. When the package is ready to be released, there is the debcraft release command that will create the Debian source package in the correct format and facilitate uploading it either to your Personal Package Archive (PPA) or if you are a Debian Developer to the official Debian archive.

Automatically improve and update packages Additionally, the command debcraft improve will try to fix all issues that are possible to address automatically. It utilizes, among others, lintian-brush, codespell and debputy. This makes repetitive Debian maintenance tasks easier, such as updating the package to follow the latest Debian policies. To update the package to the latest upstream version there is also debcraft update. It will read the package configuration files such as debian/gbp.conf and debian/watch and attempts to import the latest upstream version, refresh patches, build and run autopkgtests. If everything passes, the new version is committed. This helps automate the process of updating to new upstream versions.

Try out Debcraft now! On a recent version of Debian and Ubuntu, Debcraft can be installed simply by running apt install debcraft. To use Debcraft on some other distribution or to get the latest features available in the development version install it using:
git clone https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debcraft.git
cd debcraft
make install-local
To see exact usage instructions run debcraft --help.

Contributions welcome Current Debcraft version 0.5 still has some rough edges and missing features, but I have personally been using it for over a year to maintain all my packages in Debian. If you come across some issue, feel free to file a report at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debcraft/-/issues or submit an improvement at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debcraft/-/merge_requests. The code is intentionally written entirely in shell script to keep the barrier to code contribution as low as possible.
By the way, if you aspire to become a Debian Developer, and want to follow my examples in using state-of-the-art tooling and collaborate using salsa.debian.org, feel free to reach out for mentorship. I am glad to see more people contribute to Debian!

Arnaud Rebillout: Acquire-By-Hash for APT packages repositories, and the lack of it in Kali Linux

This is a lenghty blog post. It features a long introduction that explains how apt update acquires various files from a package repository, what is Acquire-By-Hash, and how it all works for Kali Linux: a Debian-based distro that doesn't support Acquire-By-Hash, and which is distributed via a network of mirrors and a redirector. In a second part, I explore some "Hash Sum Mismatch" errors that we can hit with Kali Linux, errors that would not happen if only Acquire-By-Hash was supported. If anything, this blog post supports the case for adding Acquire-By-Hash support in reprepro, as requested at https://bugs.debian.org/820660. All of this could have just remained some personal notes for myself, but I got carried away and turned it into a blog post, dunno why... Hopefully others will find it interesting, but you really need to like troubleshooting stories, packed with details, and poorly written at that. You've been warned! Introducing Acquire-By-Hash Acquire-By-Hash is a feature of APT package repositories, that might or might not be supported by your favorite Debian-based distribution. A repository that supports it says so, in the Release file, by setting the field Acquire-By-Hash: yes. It's easy to check. Debian and Ubuntu both support it:
$ wget -qO- http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:
Acquire-By-Hash: yes
$ wget -qO- http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:
Acquire-By-Hash: yes
What about other Debian derivatives?
$ wget -qO- http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
$ wget -qO- https://archive.raspberrypi.com/debian/dists/trixie/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
$ wget -qO- http://packages.linuxmint.com/dists/faye/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
$ wget -qO- https://apt.pop-os.org/release/dists/noble/Release   grep -i ^Acquire-By-Hash:   echo not supported
not supported
Huhu, Acquire-By-Hash is not ubiquitous. But wait, what is Acquire-By-Hash to start with? To answer that, we have to take a step back and cover some basics first. The HTTP requests performed by 'apt update' What happens when one runs apt update? APT first requests the Release file from the repository(ies) configured in the APT sources. This file is a starting point, it contains a list of other files (sometimes called "Index files") that are available in the repository, along with their hashes. After fetching the Release file, APT proceeds to request those Index files. To give you an idea, there are many kinds of Index files, among which: There's an excellent Wiki page that details the structure of a Debian package repository, it's there: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format. Note that APT doesn't necessarily download ALL of those Index files. For simplicity, we'll limit ourselves to the minimal scenario, where apt update downloads only the Packages files. Let's try to make it more visual: here's a representation of a apt update transaction, assuming that all the components of the repository are enabled:
apt update -> Release -> Packages (main/amd64)
                      -> Packages (contrib/amd64)
                      -> Packages (non-free/amd64)
                      -> Packages (non-free-firmware/amd64)
Meaning that, in a first step, APT downloads the Release file, reads its content, and then in a second step it downloads the Index files in parallel. You can actually see that happen with a command such as apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1 grep ^GET. For Kali Linux you'll see something pretty similar to what I described above. Try it!
$ podman run --rm kali-rolling apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep ^GET
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease HTTP/1.1    # <- returns a redirect, that is why the file is requested twice
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
GET /kali/dists/kali-rolling/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
However, and it's now becoming interesting, for Debian or Ubuntu you won't see the same kind of URLs:
$ podman run --rm debian:sid apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep ^GET
GET /debian/dists/sid/InRelease HTTP/1.1
GET /debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/22709f0ce67e5e0a33a6e6e64d96a83805903a3376e042c83d64886bb555a9c3 HTTP/1.1
APT doesn't download a file named Packages, instead it fetches a file named after a hash. Why? This is due to the field Acquire-By-Hash: yes that is present in the Debian's Release file. What does Acquire-By-Hash mean for 'apt update' The idea with Acquire-By-Hash is that the Index files are named after their hash on the repository, so if the MD5 sum of main/binary-amd64/Packages is 77b2c1539f816832e2d762adb20a2bb1, then the file will be stored at main/binary-amd64/by-hash/MD5Sum/77b2c1539f816832e2d762adb20a2bb1. The path main/binary-amd64/Packages still exists (it's the "Canonical Location" of this particular Index file), but APT won't use it, instead it downloads the file located in the by-hash/ directory. Why does it matter? This has to do with repository updates, and allowing the package repository to be updated atomically, without interruption of service, and without risk of failure client-side. It's important to understand that the Release file and the Index files are part of a whole, a set of files that go altogether, given that Index files are validated by their hash (as listed in the Release file) after download by APT. If those files are simply named "Release" and "Packages", it means they are not immutable: when the repository is updated, all of those files are updated "in place". And it causes problems. A typical failure mode for the client, during a repository update, is that: 1) APT requests the Release file, then 2) the repository is updated and finally 3) APT requests the Packages files, but their checksum don't match, causing apt update to fail. There are variations of this error, but you get the idea: updating a set of files "in place" is problematic. The Acquire-By-Hash mechanism was introduced exactly to solve this problem: now the Index files have a unique, immutable name. When the repository is updated, at first new Index files are added in the by-hash/ directory, and only after the Release file is updated. Old Index files in by-hash/ are retained for a while, so there's a grace period during which both the old and the new Release files are valid and working: the Index files that they refer to are available in the repo. As a result: no interruption of service, no failure client-side during repository updates. This is explained in more details at https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/no-more-hash-sum-mismatch-errors.html, which is the blog post from Colin Watson that came out at the time Acquire-By-Hash was introduced in... 2016. This is still an excellent read in 2025. So you might be wondering why I'm rambling about a problem that's been solved 10 years ago, but then as I've shown in the introduction, the problem is not solved for everyone. Support for Acquire-By-Hash server side is not for granted, and unfortunately it never landed in reprepro, as one can see at https://bugs.debian.org/820660. reprepro is a popular tool for creating APT package repositories. In particular, at Kali Linux we use reprepro, and that's why there's no Acquire-By-Hash: yes in the Kali Release file. As one can guess, it leads to subtle issues during those moments when the repository is updated. However... we're not ready to talk about that yet! There's still another topic that we need to cover: this window of time during which a repository is being updated, and during which apt update might fail. The window for Hash Sum Mismatches, and the APT trick that saves the day Pay attention! In this section, we're now talking about packages repositories that do NOT support Acquire-By-Hash, such as the Kali Linux repository. As I've said above, it's only when the repository is being updated that there is a "Hash Sum Mismatch Window", ie. a moment when apt update might fail for some unlucky clients, due to invalid Index files. Surely, it's a very very short window of time, right? I mean, it can't take that long to update files on a server, especially when you know that a repository is usually updated via rsync, and rsync goes to great length to update files the most atomically as it can (with the option --delay=updates). So if apt update fails for me, I've been very unlucky, but I can just retry in a few seconds and it should be fixed, isn't it? The answer is: it's not that simple. So far I pictured the "package repository" as a single server, for simplicity. But it's not always what it is. For Kali Linux, by default users have http.kali.org configured in their APT sources, and it is a redirector, ie. a web server that redirects requests to mirrors that are nearby the client. Some context that matters for what comes next: the Kali repository is synced with ~70 mirrors all around the world, 4 times a day. What happens if your apt update requests are redirected to 2 mirrors close-by, and one was just synced, while the other is still syncing (or even worse, failed to sync entirely)? You'll get a mix of old and new Index files. Hash Sum Mismatch! As you can see, with this setup the "Hash Sum Mismatch Window" becomes much longer than a few seconds: as long as nearby mirrors are syncing the window is opened. You could have a fast and a slow mirror next to you, and they can be out of sync with each other for several minutes every time the repository is updated, for example. For Kali Linux in particular, there's a "detail" in our network of mirrors that, as a side-effect, almost guarantees that this window lasts several minutes at least. This is because the pool of mirrors includes kali.download which is in fact the Cloudflare CDN, and from the redirector point of view, it's seen as a "super mirror" that is present in every country. So when APT fires a bunch of requests against http.kali.org, it's likely that some of them will be redirected to the Kali CDN, and others will be redirected to a mirror nearby you. So far so good, but there's another point of detail to be aware of: the Kali CDN is synced first, before the other mirrors. Another thing: usually the mirrors that are the farthest from the Tier-0 mirror are the longest to sync. Packing all of that together: if you live somewhere in Asia, it's not uncommon for your "Hash Sum Mismatch Window" to be as long as 30 minutes, between the moment the Kali CDN is synced, and the moment your nearby mirrors catch up and are finally in sync as well. Having said all of that, and assuming you're still reading (anyone here?), you might be wondering... Does that mean that apt update is broken 4 times a day, for around 30 minutes, for every Kali user out there? How can they bear with that? Answer is: no, of course not, it's not broken like that. It works despite all of that, and this is thanks to yet another detail that we didn't go into yet. This detail lies in APT itself. APT is in fact "redirector aware", in a sense. When it fetches a Release file, and if ever the request is redirected, it then fires the subsequent requests against the server where it was initially redirected. So you are guaranteed that the Release file and the Index files are retrieved from the same mirror! Which brings back our "Hash Sum Mismatch Window" to the window for a single server, ie. something like a few seconds at worst, hopefully. And that's what makes it work for Kali, literally. Without this trick, everything would fall apart. For reference, this feature was implemented in APT back in... 2016! A busy year it seems! Here's the link to the commit: use the same redirection mirror for all index files. To finish, a dump from the console. You can see this behaviour play out easily, again with APT debugging turned on. Below we can see that only the first request hits the Kali redirector:
$ podman run --rm kali-rolling apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep -e ^Answer -e ^HTTP
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/InRelease
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-rolling/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Interlude Believe it or not, we're done with the introduction! At this point, we have a good understanding of what apt update does (in terms of HTTP requests), we know that Release files and Index files are part of a whole, and we know that a repository can be updated atomically thanks to the Acquire-By-Hash feature, so that users don't experience interruption of service or failures of any sort, even with a rolling repository that is updated several times a day, like Debian sid. We've also learnt that, despite the fact that Acquire-By-Hash landed almost 10 years ago, some distributions like Kali Linux are still doing without it... and yet it works! But the reason why it works is more complicated to grasp, especially when you add a network of mirrors and a redirector to the picture. Moreover, it doesn't work as flawlessly as with the Acquire-By-Hash feature: we still expect some short (seconds at worst) "Hash Sum Mismatch Windows" for those unlucky users that run apt update at the wrong moment. This was a long intro, but that really sets the stage for what comes next: the edge cases. Some situations in which we can hit some Hash Sum Mismatch errors with Kali. Error cases that I've collected and investigated over the time... If anything, it supports the case that Acquire-By-Hash is really something that should be implemented in reprepro. More on that in the conclusion, but for now, let's look at those edge cases. Edge Case 1: the caching proxy If you put a caching proxy (such as approx, my APT caching proxy of choice) between yourself and the actual packages repository, then obviously it's the caching proxy that performs the HTTP requests, and therefore APT will never know about the redirections returned by the server, if any. So the APT trick of downloading all the Index files from the same server in case of redirect doesn't work anymore. It was rather easy to confirm that by building a Kali package during a mirror sync, and watch if fail at the "Update chroot" step:
$ sudo rm /var/cache/approx/kali/dists/ -fr
$ gbp buildpackage --git-builder=sbuild
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
  Update chroot                                Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:33:32 +0000  
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Get:1 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev InRelease [41.4 kB]
Get:2 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/contrib Sources [81.6 kB]
Get:3 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/main Sources [17.3 MB]
Get:4 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free Sources [122 kB]
Get:5 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free-firmware Sources [8297 B]
Get:6 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free amd64 Packages [197 kB]
Get:7 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [10.6 kB]
Get:8 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/contrib amd64 Packages [120 kB]
Get:9 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/main amd64 Packages [21.0 MB]
Err:9 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev/main amd64 Packages
  File has unexpected size (20984689 != 20984861). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ::1 9999]
  Hashes of expected file:
   - Filesize:20984861 [weak]
   - SHA256:6cbbee5838849ffb24a800bdcd1477e2f4adf5838a844f3838b8b66b7493879e
   - SHA1:a5c7e557a506013bd0cf938ab575fc084ed57dba [weak]
   - MD5Sum:1433ce57419414ffb348fca14ca1b00f [weak]
  Release file created at: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:15:10 +0000
Fetched 17.9 MB in 9s (1893 kB/s)
Reading package lists...
E: Failed to fetch http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  File has unexpected size (20984689 != 20984861). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ::1 9999]
   Hashes of expected file:
    - Filesize:20984861 [weak]
    - SHA256:6cbbee5838849ffb24a800bdcd1477e2f4adf5838a844f3838b8b66b7493879e
    - SHA1:a5c7e557a506013bd0cf938ab575fc084ed57dba [weak]
    - MD5Sum:1433ce57419414ffb348fca14ca1b00f [weak]
   Release file created at: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:15:10 +0000
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
E: apt-get update failed
The obvious workaround is to NOT use the redirector in the approx configuration. Either use a mirror close by, or the Kali CDN:
$ grep kali /etc/approx/approx.conf 
#kali http://http.kali.org/kali <- do not use the redirector!
kali  http://kali.download/kali
Edge Case 2: debootstrap struggles What if one tries to debootstrap Kali while mirrors are being synced? It can give you some ugly logs, but it might not be fatal:
$ sudo debootstrap kali-dev kali-dev http://http.kali.org/kali
[...]
I: Target architecture can be executed
I: Retrieving InRelease 
I: Checking Release signature
I: Valid Release signature (key id 827C8569F2518CC677FECA1AED65462EC8D5E4C5)
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
W: Retrying failed download of http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
I: Retrieving Packages 
I: Validating Packages 
I: Resolving dependencies of required packages...
I: Resolving dependencies of base packages...
I: Checking component main on http://http.kali.org/kali...
I: Retrieving adduser 3.152
[...]
To understand this one, we have to go and look at the debootstrap source code. How does debootstrap fetch the Release file and the Index files? It uses wget, and it retries up to 10 times in case of failure. It's not as sophisticated as APT: it doesn't detect when the Release file is served via a redirect. As a consequence, what happens above can be explained as such:
  1. debootstrap requests the Release file, gets redirected to a mirror, and retrieves it from there
  2. then it requests the Packages file, gets redirected to another mirror that is not in sync with the first one, and retrieves it from there
  3. validation fails, since the checksum is not as expected
  4. try again and again
Since debootstrap retries up to 10 times, at some point it's lucky enough to get redirected to the same mirror as the one from where it got its Release file from, and this time it gets the right Packages file, with the expected checksum. So ultimately it succeeds. Edge Case 3: post-debootstrap failure I like this one, because it gets us to yet another detail that we didn't talk about yet. So, what happens after we successfully debootstraped Kali? We have only the main component enabled, and only the Index file for this component have been retrieved. It looks like that:
$ sudo debootstrap kali-dev kali-dev http://http.kali.org/kali
[...]
I: Base system installed successfully.
$ cat kali-dev/etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev main
$ ls -l kali-dev/var/lib/apt/lists/
total 80468
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    41445 Jun 19 07:02 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_InRelease
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82299122 Jun 19 07:01 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_main_binary-amd64_Packages
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    40562 Jun 19 11:54 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_Release
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root      833 Jun 19 11:54 http.kali.org_kali_dists_kali-dev_Release.gpg
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root     4096 Jun 19 11:54 partial
So far so good. Next step would be to complete the sources.list with other components, then run apt update: APT will download the missing Index files. But if you're unlucky, that might fail:
$ sudo sed -i 's/main$/main contrib non-free non-free-firmware/' kali-dev/etc/apt/sources.list
$ cat kali-dev/etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
$ sudo chroot kali-dev apt update
Hit:1 http://http.kali.org/kali kali-dev InRelease
Get:2 http://kali.download/kali kali-dev/contrib amd64 Packages [121 kB]
Get:4 http://mirror.sg.gs/kali kali-dev/non-free-firmware amd64 Packages [10.6 kB]
Get:3 http://mirror.freedif.org/kali kali-dev/non-free amd64 Packages [198 kB]
Err:3 http://mirror.freedif.org/kali kali-dev/non-free amd64 Packages
  File has unexpected size (10442 != 10584). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: 66.96.199.63 80]
  Hashes of expected file:
   - Filesize:10584 [weak]
   - SHA256:71a83d895f3488d8ebf63ccd3216923a7196f06f088461f8770cee3645376abb
   - SHA1:c4ff126b151f5150d6a8464bc6ed3c768627a197 [weak]
   - MD5Sum:a49f46a85febb275346c51ba0aa8c110 [weak]
  Release file created at: Fri, 23 May 2025 06:48:41 +0000
Fetched 336 kB in 4s (77.5 kB/s)  
Reading package lists... Done
E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  File has unexpected size (10442 != 10584). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: 66.96.199.63 80]
   Hashes of expected file:
    - Filesize:10584 [weak]
    - SHA256:71a83d895f3488d8ebf63ccd3216923a7196f06f088461f8770cee3645376abb
    - SHA1:c4ff126b151f5150d6a8464bc6ed3c768627a197 [weak]
    - MD5Sum:a49f46a85febb275346c51ba0aa8c110 [weak]
   Release file created at: Fri, 23 May 2025 06:48:41 +0000
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
What happened here? Again, we need APT debugging options to have a hint:
$ sudo chroot kali-dev apt -q -o Debug::Acquire::http=true update 2>&1   grep -e ^Answer -e ^HTTP
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/InRelease
HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://http.kali.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Answer for: http://kali.download/kali/dists/kali-dev/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.sg.gs/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free-firmware/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Answer for: http://mirror.freedif.org/kali/dists/kali-dev/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
As we can see above, for the Release file we get a 304 (aka. "Not Modified") from the redirector. Why is that? This is due to If-Modified-Since also known as RFC-7232. APT supports this feature when it retrieves the Release file, it basically says to the server "Give me the Release file, but only if it's newer than what I already have". If the file on the server is not newer than that, it answers with a 304, which basically says to the client "You have the latest version already". So APT doesn't get a new Release file, it uses the Release file that is already present locally in /var/lib/apt/lists/, and then it proceeeds to download the missing Index files. And as we can see above: it then hits the redirector for each requests, and might be redirected to different mirrors for each Index file. So the important bit here is: the APT "trick" of downloading all the Index files from the same mirror only works if the Release file is served via a redirect. If it's not, like in this case, then APT hits the redirector for each files it needs to download, and it's subject to the "Hash Sum Mismatch" error again. In practice, for the casual user running apt update every now and then, it's not an issue. If they have the latest Release file, no extra requests are done, because they also have the latest Index files, from a previous apt update transaction. So APT doesn't re-download those Index files. The only reason why they'd have the latest Release file, and would miss some Index files, would be that they added new components to their APT sources, like we just did above. Not so common, and then they'd need to run apt update at a unlucky moment. I don't think many users are affected in practice. Note that this issue is rather new for Kali Linux. The redirector running on http.kali.org is mirrorbits, and support for If-Modified-Since just landed in the latest release, version 0.6. This feature was added by no one else than me, a great example of the expression "shooting oneself in the foot". An obvious workaround here is to empty /var/lib/apt/lists/ in the chroot after debootstrap completed. Or we could disable support for If-Modified-Since entirely for Kali's instance of mirrorbits. Summary and Conclusion The Hash Sum Mismatch failures above are caused by a combination of things: At the same time: All in all, it seems that all those issues would go away if only Acquire-By-Hash was supported in the Kali packages repository. Now is not a bad moment to try to land this feature in reprepro. After development halted in 2019, there's now a new upstream, and patches are being merged again. But it won't be easy: reprepro is a C codebase of around 50k lines of code, and it will take time and effort for the newcomer to get acquainted with the codebase, to the point of being able to implement a significant feature like this one. As an alternative, aptly is another popular tool to manage APT package repositories. And it seems to support Acquire-By-Hash already. Another alternative: I was told that debusine has (experimental) support for package repositories, and that Acquire-By-Hash is supported as well. Options are on the table, and I hope that Kali will eventually get support for Acquire-By-Hash, one way or another. To finish, due credits: this blog post exists thanks to my employer OffSec. Thanks for reading!

16 July 2025

Sven Hoexter: Google Cloud Oddities Summer 2025 Edition

Latest oddities I ran into with Google Cloud products before I start to forget about them again. e2 Compute Instances vs CloudNAT Years ago I already had a surprising encounter with the Google Cloud e2 instances. Back then we observed CPU steal time from 20-60%, which made the instances unusable for anything remotely latency sensitive. Now someone started to run a workload which creates many outbound connections to the same destination IP:Port. To connect to the internet we utilize the Google Cloud product "CloudNAT" which implements a NAT solution somewhere in the network layer. Starting the workload let after a few seconds to all sort of connection issues, and of course logs from CloudNAT that it dropped connections. The simplest reproducer I could find was while true; do curl http://sven.stormbind.net; done which already let to connection drops on CloudNAT. We starred a bit at output of gcloud compute routers get-nat-mapping-info our-default-natgw, but allocating additional ports still worked fine in general. Further investigation let to two differences between a project which was fine and those that failed:
  1. c2d or n2d machine types instead of e2 and
  2. usage of gVNIC.
Moving away from the e2 instances instantly fixed our issue. Only some connection drops could be observed on CloudNAT if we set the min_ports_per_vm value too low and it could not allocate new ports in time. Thus we did some additional optimizations: See also upstream documentation regarding timeouts. To complete the setup alignment we also enabled gVNIC on all GKE pools. Noteworthy detail a colleague figured out: If you use terraform to provision GKE pools make sure to use at least google provider v6.33.0 to avoid a re-creation of your node pool. GKE LoadBalancer Force allPorts: true on Forwarding Rule Technically it's possible to configure a forwarding rule to listen on some or all ports. That gets more complicated if you do not configure the forwarding rule via terraform or gcloud cli, but use a GKE resource kind: Service with spec.type: LoadBalancer. The logic documented by Google Cloud is that the forwarding rule will have per port configuration if it's five or less, and above that it will open for all ports. Sadly that does not work e.g. in cases where you've an internal load balancer and a serviceAttachment attached to the forwarding rule. In my experience reconfiguring was also unreliable in cases without a serviceAttachment and required a manual deletion of the service load balancer to have the operator reconcile it and create it correctly. Given that we wanted to have all ports open to allow us to dynamically add more ports on a specific load balancer, but there is no annotation for that, I worked around with this beauty:
      ports:
        - name: dummy-0
          port: 2342
          protocol: TCP
          targetPort: 2342
        - name: dummy-1
          port: 2343
          protocol: TCP
          targetPort: 2343
        - name: dummy-2
          port: 2344
          protocol: TCP
          targetPort: 2344
        - name: dummy-3
          port: 2345
          protocol: TCP
          targetPort: 2345
        - name: service-1
          port: 4242
          protocol: TCP
          targetPort: 4242
        - name: service-2
          port: 4343
          protocol: TCP
          targetPort: 4343
If something in that area did not work out there's basically two things to check:
  1. Is the port open on the forwarding rule / is the forwarding rule configured with allPorts: true?
  2. Got the VPC firewall rule created by the service operator in GKE updated to open all required ports?
Rate Limiting with Cloud Armor on Global TCP Proxy Load Balancer According to the Google Cloud support rate limiting on a TCP proxy is a preview feature. That seems to be the excuse why it's all very inconsistent right now, but it works. Terraform Sample Snippet
  rule  
    description = "L3-L4 Rate Limit"
    action      = "rate_based_ban"
    priority    = "2342"
    match  
      versioned_expr = "SRC_IPS_V1"
      config  
        src_ip_ranges = ["*"]
       
     
    rate_limit_options  
      enforce_on_key = "IP"
      # exceed_action only supports deny() with a response code
      exceed_action = "deny(429)"
      rate_limit_threshold  
        count        = 320
        interval_sec = 60
       
      ban_duration_sec = 240
      ban_threshold  
        count        = 320
        interval_sec = 60
       
      conform_action = "allow"
     
   
Config-Connector Sample Snippet
  - action: rate_based_ban
    description: L3-L4 Rate Limit
    match:
      config:
        srcIpRanges:
          - "*"
      versionedExpr: SRC_IPS_V1
    preview: false
    priority: 2342
    rateLimitOptions:
      banDurationSec: 240
      banThreshold:
        count: 320
        intervalSec: 60
      conformAction: allow
      enforceOnKey: IP
      exceedAction: deny
      rateLimitThreshold:
         count: 320
         intervalSec: 60

David Bremner: Hibernate on the pocket reform 7/n

Context

Building upstream-ish kernel
  • Roughly following the "bisecting upstream linux" section of reform-debian-packages/README.md
$ git clone https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/linux.git collabora
$ cd collabora && git git switch -c rockchip-devel origin/rockchip-devel
  • The next step is to apply the the non-collabora patches from reform-debian-packages/linux/patches6.15/rk3588-mnt-reform2
  • Unfortunately these are missing the proper metadata to work with git-am

Sidequest: Fix patches
  • 1000-v3-pci_dw_rockchip_add_system_pm_support.patch doesn't apply, even with added metadata. Start again upstream.
  • Thanks to joshc for the suggestion of the b4 tool.
      b4 am 1744940759-23823-1-git-send-email-shawn.lin@rock-chips.com
    
    This creates a .mbx file ready for git am (roughly equivalent to fetching the /raw version from lore, with some extra checks).
  • Brute force finding a base for the patch:
git rev-list --no-merges --since 2025-01-01 refs/heads/rockchip-devel   \
    while read ref
    do
        echo trying $ref
        git checkout $ref
        git apply --check v3_20250418_shawn_lin_pci_dw_rockchip_add_system_pm_support.mbx && echo SUCCESS && break
    done
  • 122 steps later this yields 9dff55ebaef7 (bisect would be better if we knew a "good" commit).
$ git branch -D tmp ; git switch -c tmp 9dff55ebaef7
$ git am v3_20250418_shawn_lin_pci_dw_rockchip_add_system_pm_support.mbx
$ git rebase -i rockchip-devel
This fails with 3 conflicts. The first is easy, as the one non-comment line just moves around. The other two involve a new function rockchip_pcie_unmask_dll_indicator used to reduce code duplication, and in all 3 cases I just took the version of the code from Shawn's patch. EDIT This rebase turns out to miss (at least) changes in the names of the PCI* constants. By amusing(?) coincidence, as I was discovering that, the patch was being rebased by someone more competent at collabora, and is now in the rockchip-devel branch. previous episode next episode

15 July 2025

Alberto Garc a: Converting QEMU qcow2 images directly to stdout

Introduction Some months ago, my colleague Madeeha Javed and I wrote a tool to convert QEMU disk images into qcow2, writing the result directly to stdout. This tool is called qcow2-to-stdout.py and can be used for example to create a new image and pipe it through gzip and/or send it directly over the network without having to write it to disk first. This program is included in the QEMU repository: https://github.com/qemu/qemu/blob/master/scripts/qcow2-to-stdout.py If you simply want to use it then all you need to do is have a look at these examples: $ qcow2-to-stdout.py source.raw > dest.qcow2
$ qcow2-to-stdout.py -f dmg source.dmg gzip > dest.qcow2.gz If you re interested in the technical details, read on.

A closer look under the hood QEMU uses disk images to store the contents of the VM s hard drive. Images are often in qcow2, QEMU s native format, although a variety of other formats and protocols are also supported. I have written in detail about the qcow2 format in the past (for example, here and here), but the general idea is very easy to understand: the virtual drive is divided into clusters of a certain size (64 KB by default), and only the clusters containing non-zero data need to be physically present in the qcow2 image. So what we have is essentially a collection of data clusters and a set of tables that map guest clusters (what the VM sees) to host clusters (what the qcow2 file actually stores).
A qcow2 file is a collection of data clusters plus some metadata to map them to what the guest VM sees.
qemu-img is a powerful and versatile tool that can be used to create, modify and convert disk images. It has many different options, but one question that sometimes arises is whether it can use stdin or stdout instead of regular files when converting images. The short answer is that this is not possible in general. qemu-img convert works by checking the (virtual) size of the source image, creating a destination image of that same size and finally copying all the data from start to finish. Reading a qcow2 image from stdin doesn t work because data and metadata blocks can come in any arbitrary order, so it s perfectly possible that the information that we need in order to start writing the destination image is at the end of the input data . Writing a qcow2 image to stdout doesn t work either because we need to know in advance the complete list of clusters from the source image that contain non-zero data (this is essential because it affects the destination file s metadata). However, if we do have that information then writing a new image directly to stdout is technically possible. The bad news is that qemu-img won t help us here: it uses the same I/O code as the rest of QEMU. This generic approach makes total sense because it s simple, versatile and is valid for any kind of source and destination image that QEMU supports. However, it needs random access to both images. If we want to write a qcow2 file directly to stdout we need new code written specifically for this purpose, and since it cannot reuse the logic present in the QEMU code this was written as a separate tool (a Python script). The process itself goes like this:
  • Read the source image from start to finish in order to determine which clusters contain non-zero data. These are the only clusters that need to be present in the new image.
  • Write to stdout all the metadata structures of the new image. This is now possible because after the previous step we know how much data we have and where it is located.
  • Read the source image again and copy the clusters with non-zero data to stdout.
Images created with this program always have the same layout: header, refcount tables and blocks, L1 and L2 tables, and finally all data clusters. One problem here is that, while QEMU can read many different image formats, qcow2-to-stdout.py is an independent tool that does not share any of the code and therefore can only read raw files. The solution here is to use qemu-storage-daemon. This program is part of QEMU and it can use FUSE to export any file that QEMU can read as a raw file. The usage of qemu-storage-daemon is handled automatically and the user only needs to specify the format of the source file: $ qcow2-to-stdout.py -f dmg source.dmg > dest.qcow2 qcow2-to-stdout.py can only create basic qcow2 files and does not support features like compression or encryption. However, a few parameters can be adjusted, like the cluster size (-c), the width of the reference count entries (-r) and whether the new image is created with the input as an external data file (-d and -R). And this is all, I hope that you find this tool useful and this post informative. Enjoy!

Acknowledgments This work has been developed by Igalia and sponsored by Outscale, a Dassault Syst mes brand.
Logos of Igalia and Outscale

This problem would not happen if the input data was in raw format but in this case we would not know the size in advance.

Dirk Eddelbuettel: anytime 0.3.12 on CRAN: Minor Bugfix and Maintenance

A maintenance release 0.3.132 of the anytime package arrived on CRAN today. The package is fairly feature-complete, and code and functionality remain mature and stable. anytime is a very focused package aiming to do just one thing really well: to convert anything in integer, numeric, character, factor, ordered, input format to either POSIXct (when called as anytime) or Date objects (when called as anydate) and to do so without requiring a format string as well as accomodating different formats in one input vector. See the anytime page, or the GitHub repo for a few examples, and the beautiful documentation site for all documentation. This release covers a corner case reported in a GitHub issue: the (nonsensical but possible) input of zero-length (floating point or integer) vectors was not dealt with properly which lead to an error. We now return the requested type (POSIXct or Date, depending on the call) also with length zero. Two minor maintenance tasks were also addressed since the last release six months ago. The short list of changes follows.

Changes in anytime version 0.3.12 (2025-07-14)
  • Continuous integration now uses r-ci action with embedded bootstrap
  • The versioned depends on Rcpp now requires 1.0.8 or newer to support use of the updated header file structure
  • The corner-case of an empty (numeric or integer) vector argument is now addressed, new tests have been added (#135)))

Courtesy of my CRANberries, there is also a diffstat report of changes relative to the previous release. The issue tracker tracker off the GitHub repo can be use for questions and comments. More information about the package is at the package page, the GitHub repo and the documentation site.

This post by Dirk Eddelbuettel originated on his Thinking inside the box blog. If you like this or other open-source work I do, you can now sponsor me at GitHub.

Valhalla's Things: Federated instant messaging, 100% debianized

Posted on July 15, 2025
Tags: madeof:bits, topic:xmpp, topic:debian
This is an approximation of what I told at my talk Federated instant messaging, 100% debianized at DebConf 25, for people who prefer reading text. There will also be a video recording, as soon as it s ready :) at the link above. Communicating is a basic human need, and today some kind of computer-mediated communication is a requirement for most people, especially those in this room. With everything that is happening, it s now more important than ever that these means of communication aren t controlled by entities that can t be trusted, whether because they can stop providing the service at any given time or worse because they are going to abuse it in order to extract more profit. If only there was a well established chat system based on some standard developed in an open way, with all of the features one expects from a chat system but federated so that one can choose between many different and independent providers, or even self-hosting. But wait, it does exist! I m not talking about IRC, I m talking about XMPP! While it has been around since the last millennium, it has not remained still, with hundred of XMPP Extension Protocols, or XEPs that have been developed to add all of the features that nobody in 1999 imagined we could need in Instant Messaging today, and more, such as IoT devices or even social networks. There is a myth that this makes XMPP a mess of incompatible software, but there is an XEP for that: XEP-0479: XMPP Compliance Suites 2023, which is a list of XEPs that needs to be supported by Instant Messaging servers and clients, including mobile ones, and all of the recommended ones will mostly just work. These include conversations.im on android, dino on linux, which also works pretty nicely on linux phones, gajim for a more fully featured option that includes the kitchen sink, profanity for text interface fanatics like me, and I ve heard that monal works decently enough on the iThings. One thing that sets XMPP apart from other federated protocols, is that it has already gone through the phase where everybody was on one very big server, which then cut out federation, and we ve learned from the experience. These days there are still a few places that cater to newcomers, like https://account.conversations.im/, https://snikket.org/ (which also includes tools to make it easier to host your own instance) and https://quicksy.im/, but most people are actually on servers of a manageable size. My strong recommendation is for community hosting: not just self-hosting for yourself, but finding a community you feel part of and trust, and share a server with them, whether managed by volunteers from the community itself, or by a paid provider. If you are a Debian Developer, you already have one: you can go to https://db.debian.org/ , select Change rtc password to set your own password, wait an hour or so and you re good to go, as described at the bottom of https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianSocial. A few years ago it had remained a bit behind, but these days it s managed by an active team, and if you re missing some features, or just want to know what s happening with it, you can join their BoF on Friday afternoon (and also thank them for their work). But for most people in this room, I d also recommend finding a friend or two who can help as a backup, and run a server for your own families or community: as a certified lazy person who doesn t like doing sysadmin jobs, I can guarantee it s perfectly feasible, about in the same range of difficulty as running your own web server for a static site. The two most popular servers for this, prosody and ejabberd, are well maintained in Debian, and these days there isn t a lot more to do than installing them, telling them your hostname, setting up a few DNS entries, and then you mostly need to keep the machine updated and very little else. After that, it s just applying system security updates, upgrading everything every couple years (some configuration updates may be needed, but nothing major) and maybe helping some non-technical users, if you are hosting your non-technical friends (the kind who would need support on any other platform).
Question time (including IRC questions) included which server would be recommended for very few users (I use prosody and I m very happy with it, but I believe ejabberd works also just fine), then somebody reminded me that I had forgotten to mention https://www.chatons.org/ , which lists free, ethical and decentralized services, including xmpp ones. I was also asked a comparison with matrix, which does cover a very similar target as XMPP, but I am quite biased against it, and I d prefer to talk well of my favourite platform than badly of its competitor.

12 July 2025

Bits from Debian: Debconf25 welcomes its sponsors

DebConf25 logo DebConf25, the 26th edition of the Debian conference is taking place in Brest Campus of IMT Atlantique Bretagne-Pays de la Loire, France. We appreciate the organizers for their hard work, and hope this event will be highly beneficial for those who attend in person as well as online. This event would not be possible without the help from our generous sponsors. We would like to warmly welcome the sponsors of DebConf 25, and introduce them to you. We have five Platinum sponsors. Our Gold sponsors are: Our Silver sponsors are: Bronze sponsors: And finally, our Supporter level sponsors: A special thanks to the IMT Atlantique Bretagne-Pays de la Loire, our Venue Partner and our Network Partner ResEl! Thanks to all our sponsors for their support! Their contributions enable a diverse global community of Debian developers and maintainers to collaborate, support one another, and share knowledge at DebConf25.

Reproducible Builds: Reproducible Builds in June 2025

Welcome to the 6th report from the Reproducible Builds project in 2025. Our monthly reports outline what we ve been up to over the past month, and highlight items of news from elsewhere in the increasingly-important area of software supply-chain security. If you are interested in contributing to the Reproducible Builds project, please see the Contribute page on our website. In this report:
  1. Reproducible Builds at FOSSY 2025
  2. Distribution work
  3. diffoscope
  4. OSS Rebuild updates
  5. Website updates
  6. Upstream patches
  7. Reproducibility testing framework

Reproducible Builds at FOSSY 2025 On Saturday 2nd August, Vagrant Cascadian and Chris Lamb will be presenting at this year s FOSSY 2025. Their talk, titled Never Mind the Checkboxes, Here s Reproducible Builds!, is being introduced as follows:
There are numerous policy compliance and regulatory processes being developed that target software development but do they solve actual problems? Does it improve the quality of software? Do Software Bill of Materials (SBOMs) actually give you the information necessary to verify how a given software artifact was built? What is the goal of all these compliance checklists anyways or more importantly, what should the goals be? If a software object is signed, who should be trusted to sign it, and can they be trusted forever?
The talk will introduce the audience to Reproducible Builds as a set of best practices which allow users and developers to verify that software artifacts were built from the source code, but also allows auditing for license compliance, providing security benefits, and removes the need to trust arbitrary software vendors. Hosted by the Software Freedom Conservancy and taking place in Portland, Oregon, USA, FOSSY aims to be a community-focused event: Whether you are a long time contributing member of a free software project, a recent graduate of a coding bootcamp or university, or just have an interest in the possibilities that free and open source software bring, FOSSY will have something for you . More information on the event is available on the FOSSY 2025 website, including the full programme schedule. Vagrant and Chris will also be staffing a table this year, where they will be available to answer any questions about Reproducible Builds and discuss collaborations with other projects.

Distribution work In Debian this month:
  • Holger Levsen has discovered that it is now possible to bootstrap a minimal Debian trixie using 100% reproducible packages. This result can itself be reproduced, using the debian-repro-status tool and mmdebstrap s support for hooks:
      $ mmdebstrap --variant=apt --include=debian-repro-status \
           --chrooted-customize-hook=debian-repro-status \
           trixie /dev/null 2>&1   grep "Your system has"
       INFO  debian-repro-status > Your system has 100.00% been reproduced.
    
  • On our mailing list this month, Helmut Grohne wrote an extensive message raising an issue related to Uploads with conflicting buildinfo filenames:
    Having several .buildinfo files for the same architecture is something that we plausibly want to have eventually. Imagine running two sets of buildds and assembling a single upload containing buildinfo files from both buildds in the same upload. In a similar vein, as a developer I may want to supply several .buildinfo files with my source upload (e.g. for multiple architectures). Doing any of this is incompatible with current incoming processing and with reprepro.
  • 5 reviews of Debian packages were added, 4 were updated and 8 were removed this month adding to our ever-growing knowledge about identified issues.

In GNU Guix, Timothee Mathieu reported that a long-standing issue with reproducibility of shell containers across different host operating systems has been solved. In their message, Timothee mentions:
I discovered that pytorch (and maybe other dependencies) has a reproducibility problem of order 1e-5 when on AVX512 compared to AVX2. I first tried to solve the problem by disabling AVX512 at the level of pytorch, but it did not work. The dev of pytorch said that it may be because some components dispatch computation to MKL-DNN, I tried to disable AVX512 on MKL, and still the results were not reproducible, I also tried to deactivate in openmpi without success. I finally concluded that there was a problem with AVX512 somewhere in the dependencies graph but I gave up identifying where, as this seems very complicated.

The IzzyOnDroid Android APK repository made more progress in June. Not only have they just passed 48% reproducibility coverage, Ben started making their reproducible builds more visible, by offering rbtlog shields, a kind of badge that has been quickly picked up by many developers who are proud to present their applications reproducibility status.
Lastly, in openSUSE news, Bernhard M. Wiedemann posted another monthly update for their work there.

diffoscope diffoscope is our in-depth and content-aware diff utility that can locate and diagnose reproducibility issues. This month, Chris Lamb made the following changes, including preparing and uploading versions 298, 299 and 300 to Debian:
  • Add python3-defusedxml to the Build-Depends in order to include it in the Docker image. [ ]
  • Handle the RPM format s HEADERSIGNATURES and HEADERIMMUTABLE as a special-case to avoid unnecessarily large diffs. Thanks to Daniel Duan for the report and suggestion. [ ][ ]
  • Update copyright years. [ ]
In addition, @puer-robustus fixed a regression introduced in an earlier commit which resulted in some differences being lost. [ ][ ] Lastly, Vagrant Cascadian updated diffoscope in GNU Guix to version 299 [ ][ ] and 300 [ ][ ].

OSS Rebuild updates OSS Rebuild has added a new network analyzer that provides transparent HTTP(S) interception during builds, capturing all network traffic to monitor external dependencies and identify suspicious behavior, even in unmodified maintainer-controlled build processes. The text-based user interface now features automated failure clustering that can group similar rebuild failures and provides natural language failure summaries, making it easier to identify and understand patterns across large numbers of build failures. OSS Rebuild has also improved the local development experience with a unified interface for build execution strategies, allowing for more extensible environment setup for build execution. The team also designed a new website and logo.

Website updates Once again, there were a number of improvements made to our website this month including:
  • Arnaud Brousseau added Stage , a new Linux distribution, to our Tools page.
  • Chris Lamb improved the docker instructions on the diffoscope website. [ ]


Upstream patches The Reproducible Builds project detects, dissects and attempts to fix as many currently-unreproducible packages as possible. We endeavour to send all of our patches upstream where appropriate. This month, we wrote a large number of such patches, including:

Reproducibility testing framework The Reproducible Builds project operates a comprehensive testing framework running primarily at tests.reproducible-builds.org in order to check packages and other artifacts for reproducibility. In June, however, a number of changes were made by Holger Levsen, including:
  • reproduce.debian.net-related:
    • Installed and deployed rebuilderd version 0.24 from Debian unstable in order to make use of the new compression feature added by Jarl Gullberg for the database. This resulted in massive decrease of the SQLite databases:
      • 79G 2.8G (all)
      • 84G 3.2G (amd64)
      • 75G 2.9G (arm64)
      • 45G 2.1G (armel)
      • 48G 2.2G (armhf)
      • 73G 2.8G (i386)
      • 72G 2.7G (ppc64el)
      • 45G 2.1G (riscv64)
      for a combined saving from 521G 20.8G. This naturally reduces the requirements to run an independent rebuilderd instance and will permit us to add more Debian suites as well.
    • During migration to the latest version of rebuilderd, make sure several services are not started. [ ]
    • Actually run rebuilderd from /usr/bin. [ ]
    • Raise temperatures for NVME devices on some riscv64 nodes that should be ignored. [ ][ ]
    • Use a 64KB kernel page size on the ppc64el architecture (see #1106757). [ ]
    • Improve ordering of some failed to reproduce statistics. [ ]
    • Detect a number of potential causes of build failures within the statistics. [ ][ ]
    • Add support for manually scheduling for the any architecture. [ ]
  • Misc:
    • Update the Codethink nodes as there are now many kernels installed. [ ][ ]
    • Install linux-sysctl-defaults on Debian trixie systems as we need ping functionality. [ ]
    • Limit the fs.nr_open kernel turnable. [ ]
    • Stop submitting results to deprecated buildinfo.debian.net service. [ ][ ]
In addition, Jochen Sprickerhof greatly improved the statistics and the logging functionality, including adopting to the new database format of rebuilderd version 0.24.0 [ ] and temporarily increasing maximum log size in order to debug a nettlesome build [ ]. Jochen also dropped the CPUSchedulingPolicy=idle systemd flag on the workers. [ ]

Finally, if you are interested in contributing to the Reproducible Builds project, please visit our Contribute page on our website. However, you can get in touch with us via:

Louis-Philippe V ronneau: Adulting

In the last past weeks, I have done something I had been meaning to do for a while but always pushed back at the bottom of my TODO pile: prepare for my death. I am still quite young and perfectly healthy (mentally and physically) and I do plan to live a long and full life, but death is something that comes from us all and can strike anytime. Having witnessed friends and colleagues who lost loved ones who did not prepare adequately for their passing, dealing with all this legal stuff ahead of time seems like the best gift you can leave them. Writing my will was the easiest part of this "preparation for death" process. I have few material possessions and I'm leaving everything to my SO. As for the copyright for my code, I have decided everything I wrote will be licensed under CC0 (public domain) when I die. Quebec where I live also accepts holograph wills, which means I didn't have to hire a notary. Apart from the will, I also wrote a protection mandate1, filled out Quebec's organ donation form2, took a contract for prearranged funeral services3 and finally, wrote a disaster recovery plan. This recovery plan was by far the longest and most tedious part of this entire ordeal. If all your machines use full-disk encryption and you die or forget your passwords (for example after a head injury), can your data be recovered? How do you arbitrate between easy recovery and data security? If all your local devices burn down and you also pass away in the process, how will your next of kin access your remote backups and extract the relevant data (in my case, my password manager)? I had to ask myself many complex questions in this process and although I won't be sharing my disaster recovery plan here (security through obscurity), I urge you to take the time to do something similar yourself and make sure you will leave a house in order when you go away.

  1. in case I become incapacitated and can't make choices by myself anymore.
  2. it's sadly still opt-in here...
  3. you pay now for the services you want, the money is kept in a trust in your name and you can't be charged extra when you do pass away. This protects you from inflation and is a great way to make sure your next of kin don't have to deal with the complexities of funeral services while grieving.

Freexian Collaborators: Debian Contributions: unschroot, DebConf 25 preparations and more! (by Anupa Ann Joseph)

Debian Contributions: 2025-06 Contributing to Debian is part of Freexian s mission. This article covers the latest achievements of Freexian and their collaborators. All of this is made possible by organizations subscribing to our Long Term Support contracts and consulting services.

unschroot, by Helmut Grohne Quite a while back, the sbuild maintainers added the unshare backend to enable better isolation of builds, but in doing so sbuild now effectively bundles a container runtime. unschroot is an attempt to separate containment from sbuild by implementing the same features and more in a schroot-compatible way. Last year, vague feature parity was achieved, but going beyond required changing the model from keeping state in the filesystem to keeping Linux namespaces as session state. A proof of concept is now available. While it still has sharp corners, it enables building packages on a squashfs with an overlayfs or id-mapped bind mounting of your ccache neither of which is possible with sbuild s unshare backend. There shall be a DebConf25 presentation about this work.

DebConf 25, by Stefano Rivera, Santiago Ruano Rinc n and Lucas Kanashiro DebConf 25 is now under way in Brest, France. Santiago is part of the local team running the event, and Stefano Rivera is part of the DebConf committee, supporting the event, as well as the video team. Both have spent considerable time in the last month, getting things ready for DebConf. Lucas Kanashiro built the schedule for DebConf 25. Also followed-up on multiple requests from speakers and stakeholders.

Miscellaneous contributions
  • Carles did general maintenance on simplemonitor, qnetload and qdacco packages; provided simplemonitor upstream feedback on new feature.
  • Carles s updates about po-debconf-manager: prepared for DebCamp/DebConf, used it for reviewing and merging different packages. Also fixed multispeech po-debconf templates.
  • Colin Watson found a crash in pterm (PuTTY s terminal emulator) when running in a Wayland session, and backported the resulting upstream fix to trixie.
  • Colin responded to an upstream groff bug report about URLs being dropped from PDF output in some cases on Debian, and backported the fix to trixie.
  • Helmut dealt with issues related to /usr-move. Most prominently Christian Hofstaedler reported an upgrade failure. /usr-move is a contributing factor here as that s what caused systemd to upgrade a number of Breaks and Replaces to Conflicts. dumat needed some help with dropping mips64el from testing and Theodore Ts o forwarded a fuse2fs upgrade failure.
  • Helmut sent patches for 25 cross build failures.
  • Helmut debugged rebootstrap failures and worked around build failures related to gcc-15 when they had patches and sent ones otherwise.
  • Thorsten Alteholz uploaded cups to fix a FTBFS-bug. This bug was introduced by a change in systemd, which bumped the maximum number of open files. This resulted in a longer test duration that triggered a timeout so that the build failed. Thorsten also uploaded mtink and lprng, which got new translation files.
  • Lucas Kanashiro followed-up on multiple unblock requests for ruby packages due to reproducible builds fixes. All of them were accepted into trixie.
  • Lucas Kanashiro discussed license issues with upstream involving Redis 8 new license and the possibility of backporting patches to old versions with a different license. Outcome is that upstream is adding a new paragraph to their license to allow the backport for security fixes.
  • Lucas Kanashiro fixed multiple CVEs reported against valkey in unstable and trixie.
  • Lucas Kanashiro gave a Debian packaging course of 8 hours for students at a free software development course at the University of Sao Paulo.
  • Lucas Kanashiro fixed a couple of cross building issues in the ruby ecosystem with Helmut s help.
  • Lucas Kanashiro is working on a debci fix for #1107645 (ongoing).
  • Stefano Rivera updated python-mitogen to the latest beta releases with upstream support for Ansible 12.
  • Stefano Rivera spent some time winding up DebConf 24 books.
  • Stefano Rivera fixed packages that were blocking cPython 3.13.5 from migrating to trixie, and filed an unblock request.
  • Stefano Rivera investigated a regression in cPython 3.13 that was breaking OpenStack Nova. There is a patch in progress for cPython, but it is not ready for use, yet.
  • Santiago reviewed different MRs in Salsa CI. For example, the MR !605 proposed by Aquila that aims to introduce a new debdiff job, as well as the autopkgtest MR !33 to extend the support to architectures other than amd64. Also reviewed MR !611 by Aayush Raj that fixes the autopkgtest images cleanup. And the MR !614, prepared by Charles, to change the suffix name used to bump the version used in the pipeline.
  • Anupa procured supplies needed for the DebConf ID tag for the DebConf registration team and co-ordinated its transport to the venue.
  • Anupa joined Nattie to complete the registration team tasks.

11 July 2025

Jamie McClelland: Avoiding Apache Max Request Workers Errors

Wow, I hate this error:
AH00484: server reached MaxRequestWorkers setting, consider raising the MaxRequestWorkers setting
For starters, it means I have to relearn how MaxRequestWorkers functions in Apache:
For threaded and hybrid servers (e.g. event or worker), MaxRequestWorkers restricts the total number of threads that will be available to serve clients. For hybrid MPMs, the default value is 16 (ServerLimit) multiplied by the value of 25 (ThreadsPerChild). Therefore, to increase MaxRequestWorkers to a value that requires more than 16 processes, you must also raise ServerLimit.
Ok remind me what ServerLimit refers to?
For the prefork MPM, this directive sets the maximum configured value for MaxRequestWorkers for the lifetime of the Apache httpd process. For the worker and event MPMs, this directive in combination with ThreadLimit sets the maximum configured value for MaxRequestWorkers for the lifetime of the Apache httpd process. For the event MPM, this directive also defines how many old server processes may keep running and finish processing open connections. Any attempts to change this directive during a restart will be ignored, but MaxRequestWorkers can be modified during a restart. Special care must be taken when using this directive. If ServerLimit is set to a value much higher than necessary, extra, unused shared memory will be allocated. If both ServerLimit and MaxRequestWorkers are set to values higher than the system can handle, Apache httpd may not start or the system may become unstable. With the prefork MPM, use this directive only if you need to set MaxRequestWorkers higher than 256 (default). Do not set the value of this directive any higher than what you might want to set MaxRequestWorkers to. With worker, use this directive only if your MaxRequestWorkers and ThreadsPerChild settings require more than 16 server processes (default). Do not set the value of this directive any higher than the number of server processes required by what you may want for MaxRequestWorkers and ThreadsPerChild. With event, increase this directive if the process number defined by your MaxRequestWorkers and ThreadsPerChild settings, plus the number of gracefully shutting down processes, is more than 16 server processes (default).
Got it? In other words, you can consider raising the MaxRequestWorkers setting all you want, but you can t just change that setting, you have to read about several other compliated settings, do some math, and spend a lot of time wondering if you are going to remember what you just did and how to undo it if you blow up your server. On the plus side, typically, nobody should increase this limit - because if the server runs out of connections, it usually means something else is wrong. In our case, on a shared web server running Apache2 and PHP-FPM, it s usually because a single web site has gone out of control. But wait! How can that happen, we are using PHP-FPM s max_children setting to prevent a single PHP web site from taking down the server? After years of struggling with this problem I have finally made some headway. Our PHP pool configuration typically looks like this:
user = site342999writer
group = site342999writer
listen = /run/php/8.1-site342999.sock
listen.owner = www-data
listen.group = www-data
pm = ondemand
pm.max_children = 12
pm.max_requests = 500
php_admin_value[memory_limit] = 256M
And we invoke PHP-FPM via this apache snippet:
<FilesMatch \.php$>
        SetHandler "proxy:unix:/var/run/php/8.1-site342999.sock fcgi://localhost"
</FilesMatch>
With these settings in place, what happens when we use up all 12 max_children? According to the docs:
By default, mod_proxy will allow and retain the maximum number of connections that could be used simultaneously by that web server child process. Use the max parameter to reduce the number from the default. The pool of connections is maintained per web server child process, and max and other settings are not coordinated among all child processes, except when only one child process is allowed by configuration or MPM design.
The max parameter seems to default to the ThreadsPerChild, so it seems that the default here is to allow any web site to consume ThreadsPerChild (25) x ServerLimit (16), which is also the max number of over all connections. Not great. To make matter worse, there is another setting available which is mysteriously called acquire:
If set, this will be the maximum time to wait for a free connection in the connection pool, in milliseconds. If there are no free connections in the pool, the Apache httpd will return SERVER_BUSY status to the client.
By default this is not set which seems to suggest Apache will just hang on to connections forever until a free PHP process becomes available (or some other time out happens). So, let s try something different:
 <Proxy "fcgi://localhost">
    ProxySet acquire=1 max=12
  </proxy>
This snippet is the way you can configure the proxy configuration we setup in the SetHandler statement above. It s documented on the Apache mod_proxy page. Now we limit the maximum pool size per process to half of what is available for the entire server and we tell Apache to immediately throw a 503 error if we have exceeded our maximum number of connecitons. Now, if a site is overwhelmed with traffic, instead of maxing out the available Apache connections while leaving user with constantly spinning browsers, the users will get 503 ed and the server will be able to server other sites.

10 July 2025

Russell Coker: Bad Product Comparisons and EVs

When companies design products a major concern seems to be what the reviewers will have to say about it. For any product of significant value the users are unable to perform any reasonable test before buying, for a casual user some problems may only be apparent after weeks of use so professional reviews are important to many people. The market apparently doesn t want reviews of the form here s a list of products that are quite similar and all do the job well, you can buy any of them, it s no big deal which would be the most technically accurate way of doing it. So the reviewers compare the products on the criteria that are easiest to measure, this lead to phones being compared by how light and thin they are. I think it s often the case that users would be better served by thicker heavier phones that have larger batteries but instead they are being sold phones that have good battery life in a fresh installation but which don t last a day with a full load of apps installed. The latest issue with bad reviews driving poor product design is electric cars. For a while the advocates of old fashioned cars have touted the range of petrol cars which has become an issue for comparing EVs. I have been driving cars for 35 years and so far I have never driven anywhere that s out of range of the current electric charging network, even with the range of the LEAF (which is smaller than many other EVs). If I ever felt the need to drive across the Nullarbor Plain then I could rent a car to do that and the costs of such car rental would be small compared to the money I m saving by driving an EV and also small when compared to the premium I would have to pay for an EV with a larger range. Some of the recent articles I ve seen about EVs have covered vehicles with a battery range over 700Km which is greater than the legal distance a commercial driver can drive without a break. I ve also seen articles about plans to have a small petrol or Diesel motor in an EV to recharge the battery without directly driving the wheels. A 9KW Diesel motor could provide enough electricity on average to keep the charge maintained in a LEAF battery and according to the specs of Diesel generators would take about 55Kg of fuel to provide the charge a LEAF needs to drive 1000Km. The idea of a mostly electric hybrid car that can do 1000Km on one tank of fuel is interesting as a thought experiment but doesn t seem to have much actual use. Apparently a Chinese company is planning to release a car that can do 1400Km one one tank of fuel using such technology which is impressive but not particularly useful. The next issue of unreasonable competition is in charge speed. Charging a car at 2KW from a regular power socket is a real limit to what you can do with a car. It s a limit that hasn t bothered me so far because the most driving I typically do in a week is less than one full charge, so at most I have to charge overnight twice in a week. But if I was going to drive to another city without hiring a car that has better range I d need a fast charger. Most current models of the Nissan LEAF support charging speeds up to 50KW which means fully charging the battery in under an hour (or slightly over an hour for the long range version). If I was to drive from Melbourne to Canberra in my LEAF I d have to charge twice which would be an annoyance at those speeds. There are a variety of EVs that can charge at 100KW and some as high as 350KW. 350KW is enough to fully charge the largest EV batteries in half an hour which seems to be as much as anyone would need. But there are apparently plans for 1MW car chargers which would theoretically be able to charge a Hummer (the EV with the largest battery) in 12 minutes. One obvious part of the solution to EV charging times is to not drive a Hummer! Another thing to note is that batteries can t be charged at a high rate for all charge levels, this is why advertising for fast chargers makes claims like 80% charge in half an hour which definitely doesn t mean 100% charge in 37.5 minutes ! There are significant engineering issues with high power applications. A 1MW cable is not just a bigger version of a regular power cable, there are additional safety issues, user training is required and cooling of the connector is probably required. That s a lot to just get a better number in the table at the end of a review. There is research in progress on the Megawatt Charging System which is designed to charge heavy vehicles (presumably trucks and buses) at up to 3.75MW. Charging a truck at that rate is reasonable as the process of obtaining and maintaining a heavy vehicle license requires a significant amount of effort and some extra training in 3.75MW charging probably doesn t make much difference. A final issue with fast charging is the capacity of the grid. A few years ago I attended a lecture by an electrical engineer who works for the Victorian railway system which was very interesting. The Vic rail power setup involved about 100MW of grid connectivity with special contracts with the grid operators due to the fact that 1MW trains suddenly starting and stopping causes engineering problems that aren t trivial to solve. They were also working on battery packs and super capacitors to deal with regenerative braking and to avoid brownouts in long sections of track. For a medium size petrol station 14 bays for fuelling cars is common. If 6 such petrol stations were replaced with fast charging stations that can charge cars at 1MW each that would draw the same power as the train network for the entire state! There is a need for significant engineering work to allow most cars to be electric no matter how it s done, but we don t need to make that worse just for benchmarks.

Tianon Gravi: Yubi Whati? (YubiKeys, ECDSA, and X.509)

Off-and-on over the last several weeks, I've been spending time trying to learn/understand YubiKeys better, especially from the perspective of ECDSA and signing. I had a good mental model for how "slots" work (canonically referenced by their hexadecimal names such as 9C), but found that it had a gap related to "objects"; while closing that, I was annoyed that the main reference table for this gap lives primarily in either a PDF or inside several implementations, so I figured I should create the reference I want to see in the world, but that it would also be useful to write down some of my understanding for my own (and maybe others') future reference. So, to that end, I'm going to start with a bit ( ) of background information, with the heavy caveat that this only applies to "PIV" ("FIPS 201") usage of YubiKeys, and that I only actually care about ECDSA, although I've been reassured that it's the same for at least RSA (anything outside this is firmly Here Be Not Tianon; "gl hf dd"). (Incidentally, learning all this helped me actually appreciate the simplicity of cloud-based KMS solutions, which was an unexpected side effect. ) At a really high level, ECDSA is like many other (asymmetric) cryptographic solutions you've got a public key and a private key, the private key can be used to "sign" data (tiny amounts of data, in fact, like P-256 can only reasonably sign 256 bits of data, which is where cryptographic hashes like SHA256 come in as secure analogues for larger data in small bit sizes), and the public key can then be used to verify that the data was indeed signed by the private key, and only someone with the private key could've done so. There's some complex math and RNGs involved, but none of that's actually relevant to this post, so find that information elsewhere. Unfortunately, this is where things go off the rails: PIV is X.509 ("x509") heavy, and there's no X.509 in the na ve view of my use case. In a YubiKey (or any other PIV-signing-supporting smart card? do they actually have competitors in this specific niche? ), a given "slot" can hold one single private key. There are ~24 slots which can hold a private key and be used for signing, although "Slot 9c" is officially designated as the "Digital Signature" slot and is encouraged for signing purposes. One of the biggest gotchas is that with pure-PIV (and older YubiKey firmware ) the public key for a given slot is only available at the time the key is generated, and the whole point of the device in the first place is that the private key is never, ever available from it (all cryptographic operations happen inside the device), so if you don't save that public key when you first ask the device to generate a private key in a particular slot, the public key is lost forever (asterisk).
$ # generate a new ECDSA P-256 key in "slot 9c" ("Digital Signature")
$ # WARNING: THIS WILL GLEEFULLY WIPE SLOT 9C WITHOUT PROMPTING
$ yubico-piv-tool --slot 9c --algorithm ECCP256 --action generate
-----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY-----
MFkwEwYHKoZIzj0CAQYIKoZIzj0DAQcDQgAEtGoWRGyjjUlJFXpu8BL6Rnx8jjKR
5+Mzl2Vepgor+k7N9q7ppOtSMWefjFVR0SEPmXqXINNsCi6LpLtNEigIRg==
-----END PUBLIC KEY-----
Successfully generated a new private key.
$ # this is the only time/place we (officially) get this public key
With that background, now let's get to the second aspect of "slots" and how X.509 fits. For every aforementioned slot, there is a corresponding "object" (read: place to store arbitrary data) which is corresponding only by convention. For all these "key" slots the (again, by convention) corresponding "object" is explicitly supposed to be an X.509 certificate (see also the PDF reference linked above). It turns out this is a useful and topical place to store that public key we need to keep handy! It's also an interesting place to shove additional details about what the key in a given slot is being used for, if that's your thing. Converting the raw public key into a (likely self-signed) X.509 certificate is an exercise for the reader, but if you want to follow the conventions, you need some way to convert a given "slot" to the corresponding "object", and that is the lookup table I wish existed in more forms. So, without further ado, here is the anti-climax:
Slot Object Description
0x9A 0x5FC105 X.509 Certificate for PIV Authentication
0x9E 0x5FC101 X.509 Certificate for Card Authentication
0x9C 0x5FC10A X.509 Certificate for Digital Signature
0x9D 0x5FC10B X.509 Certificate for Key Management
0x82 0x5FC10D Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 1
0x83 0x5FC10E Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 2
0x84 0x5FC10F Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 3
0x85 0x5FC110 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 4
0x86 0x5FC111 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 5
0x87 0x5FC112 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 6
0x88 0x5FC113 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 7
0x89 0x5FC114 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 8
0x8A 0x5FC115 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 9
0x8B 0x5FC116 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 10
0x8C 0x5FC117 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 11
0x8D 0x5FC118 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 12
0x8E 0x5FC119 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 13
0x8F 0x5FC11A Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 14
0x90 0x5FC11B Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 15
0x91 0x5FC11C Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 16
0x92 0x5FC11D Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 17
0x93 0x5FC11E Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 18
0x94 0x5FC11F Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 19
0x95 0x5FC120 Retired X.509 Certificate for Key Management 20
See also "piv-objects.json" for a machine-readable copy of this data. (Major thanks to paultag and jon gzip johnson for helping me learn and generally putting up with me, but especially dealing with my live-stream-of-thoughts while I stumble through the dark. )

4 July 2025

Russell Coker: Function Keys

For at least 12 years laptops have been defaulting to not having the traditional PC 101 key keyboard function key functionality and instead have had other functions like controlling the volume and have had a key labelled Fn to toggle the functions. It s been a BIOS option to control whether traditional function keys or controls for volume etc are the default and for at least 12 years I ve configured all my laptops to have the traditional function keys as the default. Recently I ve been working in corporate IT and having exposure to many laptops with the default BIOS settings for those keys to change volume etc and no reasonable option for addressing it. This has made me reconsider the options for configuring these things. Here s a page listing the standard uses of function keys [1]. Here is a summary of the relevant part of that page: The keys F1, F3, F4, F7, F9, F10, and F12 don t get much use for me and for the people I observe. The F2 and F8 keys aren t useful in most programs, F6 is only really used in web browsers but the web browser counts as most programs nowadays. Here s the description of Thinkpad Fn keys [2]. I use Thinkpads for fun and Dell laptops for work, so it would be nice if they both worked in similar ways but of course they don t. Dell doesn t document how their Fn keys are laid out, but the relevant bit is that F1 to F4 are the same as on Thinkpads which is convenient as they are the ones that are likely to be commonly used and needed in a hurry. I have used the KDE settings on my Thinkpad to map the function F1 to F3 keys to the Fn equivalents which are F1 to mute-audio, F2 for vol-down, and F3 for vol-up to allow using them without holding down the Fn key while having other function keys such as F5 and F6 have their usual GUI functionality. Now I have to could train myself to use F8 in situations where I usually use F2, at least when using a laptop. The only other Fn combinations I use are F5 and F6 for controlling screen brightness, but that s not something I use much. It s annoying that the laptop manufacturers forced me to this. Having a Fn key to get extra functions and not need 101+ keys on a laptop size device is a reasonable design choice. But they could have done away with the PrintScreen key to make space for something else. Also for Thinkpads a touch pad is something that could obviously be removed to gain some extra space as the Trackpoint does all that s needed in that regard.

3 July 2025

Russell Coker: The Fuss About AI

There are many negative articles about AI (which is not about actual Artificial Intelligence also known as AGI ). Which I think are mostly overblown and often ridiculous. Resource Usage Complaints about resource usage are common, training Llama 3.1 could apparently produce as much pollution as 10,000 round trips by car between Los Angeles and New York City . That s not great but when you compare to the actual number of people doing such drives in the US and the number of people taking commercial flights on that route it doesn t seem like such a big deal. Apparently commercial passenger jets cause CO2 emissions per passenger about equal to a car with 2 people. Why is it relevant whether pollution comes from running servers, driving cars, or steel mills? Why not just tax polluters for the damage they do and let the market sort it out? People in the US make a big deal about not being communist, so why not have a capitalist solution, make it more expensive to do undesirable things and let the market sort it out? ML systems are a less bad use of compute resources than Bitcoin, at least ML systems give some useful results while Bitcoin has nothing good going for it. The Dot-Com Comparison People often complain about the apparent impossibility of AI companies doing what investors think they will do. But this isn t anything new, that all happened before with the dot com boom . I m not the first person to make this comparison, The Daily WTF (a high quality site about IT mistakes) has an interesting article making this comparison [1]. But my conclusions are quite different. The result of that was a lot of Internet companies going bankrupt, the investors in those companies losing money, and other companies then bought up their assets and made profitable companies. The cheap Internet we now have was built on the hardware from bankrupt companies which was sold for far less than the manufacture price. That allowed it to scale up from modem speeds to ADSL without the users paying enough to cover the purchase of the infrastructure. In the early 2000s I worked for two major Dutch ISPs that went bankrupt (not my fault) and one of them continued operations in the identical manner after having the stock price go to zero (I didn t get to witness what happened with the other one). As far as I m aware random Dutch citizens and residents didn t suffer from this and employees just got jobs elsewhere. There are good things being done with ML systems and when companies like OpenAI go bankrupt other companies will buy the hardware and do good things. NVidia isn t ever going to have the future sales that would justify a market capitalisation of almost 4 Trillion US dollars. This market cap can support paying for new research and purchasing rights to patented technology in a similar way to the high stock price of Google supported buying YouTube, DoubleClick, and Motorola Mobility which are the keys to Google s profits now. The Real Upsides of ML Until recently I worked for a company that used ML systems to analyse drivers for signs of fatigue, distraction, or other inappropriate things (smoking which is illegal in China, using a mobile phone, etc). That work was directly aimed at saving human lives with a significant secondary aim of saving wear on vehicles (in the mining industry drowsy drivers damage truck tires and that s a huge business expense). There are many applications of ML in medical research such as recognising cancer cells in tissue samples. There are many less important uses for ML systems, such as recognising different types of pastries to correctly bill bakery customers technology that was apparently repurposed for recognising cancer cells. The ability to recognise objects in photos is useful. It can be used for people who want to learn about random objects they see and could be used for helping young children learn about their environment. It also has some potential for assistance for visually impaired people, it wouldn t be good for safety critical systems (don t cross a road because a ML system says there are no cars coming) but could be useful for identifying objects (is this a lemon or a lime). The Humane AI pin had some real potential to do good things but there wasn t a suitable business model [2], I think that someone will develop similar technology in a useful way eventually. Even without trying to do what the Humane AI Pin attempted, there are many ways for ML based systems to assist phone and PC use. ML systems allow analysing large quantities of data and giving information that may be correct. When used by a human who knows how to recognise good answers this can be an efficient way of solving problems. I personally have solved many computer problems with the help of LLM systems while skipping over many results that were obviously wrong to me. I believe that any expert in any field that is covered in the LLM input data could find some benefits from getting suggestions from an LLM. It won t necessarily allow them to solve problems that they couldn t solve without it but it can provide them with a set of obviously wrong answers mixed in with some useful tips about where to look for the right answers. Jobs and Politics Noema Magazine has an insightful article about how AI can allow different models of work which can enlarge the middle class [3]. I don t think it s reasonable to expect ML systems to make as much impact on society as the industrial revolution, and the agricultural revolutions which took society from more than 90% farm workers to less than 5%. That doesn t mean everything will be fine but it is something that can seem OK after the changes have happened. I m not saying apart from the death and destruction everything will be good , the death and destruction are optional. Improvements in manufacturing and farming didn t have to involve poverty and death for many people, improvements to agriculture didn t have to involve overcrowding and death from disease. This was an issue of political decisions that were made. The Real Problems of ML Political decisions that are being made now have the aim of making the rich even richer and leaving more people in poverty and in many cases dying due to being unable to afford healthcare. The ML systems that aim to facilitate such things haven t been as successful as evil people have hoped but it will happen and we need appropriate legislation if we aren t going to have revolutions. There are documented cases of suicide being inspired by Chat GPT systems [4]. There have been people inspired towards murder by ChatGPT systems but AFAIK no-one has actually succeeded in such a crime yet. There are serious issues that need to be addressed with the technology and with legal constraints about how people may use it. It s interesting to consider the possible uses of ChatGPT systems for providing suggestions to a psychologist, maybe ChatGPT systems could be used to alleviate mental health problems. The cases of LLM systems being used for cheating on assignments etc isn t a real issue. People have been cheating on assignments since organised education was invented. There is a real problem of ML systems based on biased input data that issue decisions that are the average of the bigotry of the people who provided input. That isn t going to be worse than the current situation of bigoted humans making decisions based on hate and preconceptions but it will be more insidious. It is possible to search for that so for example a bank could test it s mortgage approval ML system by changing one factor at a time (name, gender, age, address, etc) and see if it changes the answer. If it turns out that the ML system is biased on names then the input data could have names removed. If it turns out to be biased about address then there could be weights put in to oppose that. For a long time there has been excessive trust in computers. Computers aren t magic they just do maths really fast and implement choices based on the work of programmers who have all the failings of other humans. Excessive trust in a rule based system is less risky than excessive trust in a ML system where no-one really knows why it makes the decisions it makes. Self driving cars kill people, this is the truth that Tesla stock holders don t want people to know. Companies that try to automate everything with AI are going to be in for some nasty surprises. Getting computers to do everything that humans do in any job is going to be a large portion of an actual intelligent computer which if it is achieved will raise an entirely different set of problems. I ve previously blogged about ML Security [5]. I don t think this will be any worse than all the other computer security problems in the long term, although it will be more insidious. How Will It Go? Companies spending billions of dollars without firm plans for how to make money are going to go bankrupt no matter what business they are in. Companies like Google and Microsoft can waste some billions of dollars on AI Chat systems and still keep going as successful businesses. Companies like OpenAI that do nothing other than such chat systems won t go well. But their assets can be used by new companies when sold at less than 10% the purchase price. Companies like NVidia that have high stock prices based on the supposed ongoing growth in use of their hardware will have their stock prices crash. But the new technology they develop will be used by other people for other purposes. If hospitals can get cheap diagnostic ML systems because of unreasonable investment into AI then that could be a win for humanity. Companies that bet their entire business on AI even when it s not necessarily their core business (as Tesla has done with self driving) will have their stock price crash dramatically at a minimum and have the possibility of bankruptcy. Having Tesla go bankrupt is definitely better than having people try to use them as self driving cars.

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