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6 July 2006

Martin F. Krafft: Ubuntu and Debian

Ubuntu caused a lot of friction with and for Debian. In discussions with its founder, Mark Shuttleworth, and other Ubuntu developers during (and before) Debconf6, I was able to spell out the main criticisms from the Debian perspectives of the way Canonical/Ubuntu is handling things (without a claim to completeness). These criticisms mainly stem from discussions with fellow developers over the past 18 months, and I largely support all of them. I am publicising them here to help make the status quo more transparent. Before I go on, I want you to know that my neutral and somewhat even supportive stance towards Ubuntu has led many Debian folks to conclude that I must be a Canonical employee; I never was nor will be. Let's go:

  • A major point of friction I've gathered from many (Debian) sides stems from the fact that many developers are largely unsatisfied with how Canonical/Ubuntu cooperates and "gives back" to the Debian community: essentially, at the moment all we get are monolithic patches describing the differences between Debian packages and their Ubuntu counterparts. Even though Mark has claimed that the patches should be modular if the underlying package uses a modular package management system (such as dpatch), this does not seem to be the case at first glance (c.f. e.g. squid). You have to look inside the monolithic patch to note that its changes are compartementalised into dpatch files. Yet, Canonical/Ubuntu continuously claims to be "good" and to "give back" to the Debian community, but that's just not happening in that way. Canonical/Ubuntu either has to start giving back according to their own claims, or stop pretending that it does, and it's good that I have heard this voiced by one of the Canonical employees as well.

  • The perception that Canonical/Ubuntu is taking advantage of Debian seems to prevail. Taking advantage in this definition entails using but not giving back, as well as dragging integrative work out of Debian, something Joey Hess described as the supermarket thing, which has the potential to ruin the Debian project. Whether this is true or false, intentional or unintentional, it is important to recognize that these sentiments do exist among a number of members of the Debian community. There's a related point, namely jealousy about Ubuntu's success, and the fear that it steals Debian's users. In response, it is often said that while Ubuntu depends on Debian, the reverse is not the case: Debian does not need Ubuntu. This is false and true at the same time. Debian surely need derivatives like Ubuntu, for derivatives bring users, and users bring improvements and weight. However, Debian does not need any one derivative more than any other, and in fact it has been considered harmful if any derivative stands out.

  • Many of those with whom I've spoken perceive that Canonical/Ubuntu do not acknowledge Debian enough, nor give credit where credit is due. And this lack of credit and acknowledgement further amplifies the fear. Two examples seem to stand out:

    • The "universe" community that gathered around Ubuntu's core surprisingly often does not know about Debian, or do not know how Ubuntu and Debian relate. I do not have any data on this, unfortunately (see below). This is something to take up with the Ubuntu Community Council.

    • On the ubuntu.com front page, Debian is not mentioned at all; if you actually follow the About Ubuntu link, you can find Debian mentioned once in the first paragraph (albeit without a link), and if you did notice the right hand menu expanding, you may even decide to click on Ubuntu and Debian, where the relationship is finally illustrated from the Ubuntu point of view. To many, this is just not enough. Update (+6h): the About Ubuntu page now links to the Debian homepage. Thanks!

  • Canonical people, and Mark especially, draw an important line between Ubuntu (which is mostly free/open-source), and Canonical with its other products (Launchpad, Rosetta; which are non-free). However, from the outside, this line does not exist, or at least it appears as if there's a much stronger relationship between the Canonical and the Ubuntu project. This impression casts a corporate shadow over Ubuntu which deters many developers, even if it's undeniable that Ubuntu is a project of its own (to a large degree).

  • There's no question about Mark being on an agenda, for which he has assembled an impressively powerful team (which indirectly includes many Debian developers) at an (even more impressively) cheap cost. It's not my business to speculate about other people's finances, but those that do conclude that Mark is very likely not running too much of a risk with what he does at the moment and could basically pull out at any point in time. To some, who have dedicated large parts of their lives to Debian, this seems like an unwelcome way to play a game.

  • When Canonical entered the market and hired some developers to work on a Debian-related project, a lot of jealousy boiled up among those who didn't get a job, because back then it seemed that Canonical was out to pay people to work on Debian -- which is a common dream among us developers; at least people hoped that's what it would be. Many fundamental contributors felt left out and confronted with the question why they should continue their work for free when others are now getting paid for it. The twist is that nobody wanted to ask themselves that question, because money was never the reason why they started to work on Debian. The situation has leveled by now (I think). More and more people realise that Canonical is taking Ubuntu into a direction where many Debian developers do not want to go. Nevertheless, it seems that some of the frictions we are currently facing between Debian and Ubuntu still have their roots in the bad feelings from those times (which may well still exist in the individual case). Canonical/Ubuntu (and some Debian developers) need to realise (and get over) this, and somehow I think they've got a long way to go.

On Friday night of the Debconf6 conference, Mark assembled a bunch of people discuss the inter-project relationship. The (large) number of people who eventually joined, as well as the choice of venue (with live music) made the discussion somewhat awkward, but we did manage to get some good talking done, and I raised all of the above points. See the minutes of the meeting if interested. With their latest release out the door and a little more time on their hands (at least for a while), I hope that Canonical will follow up on the resolutions of the evening, as they have promised. The same goes for Debian, of course. There's very little Ubuntu can do about the jealousy other than acknowledge it, but it would be an important start. In addition, I hope to see all of the following take place rather sooner than later:
  • quality improvements to the patches they "give back" to Debian, and the adoption of a more appropriate medium of exchange. Instead of patches, active reaching out to the Debian developers by the Ubuntu developers would be even better in certain cases. The claim by Mark and one of his employees that this is simply impossible because of the commonly misconceived size of the paid body of developers (which is just too small) is really their challenge, and if they cannot meet it, maybe they have to go around it. It should be noted that efforts along these lines exist, so Canonical does not have to start from scratch. Note to Debian developers: if you're so inclined, please add your name to the bottom of that page.
  • a clear statement about how Canonical/Ubuntu plans to coexist or cooperate with Debian, and then the execution of those plans without leaving any doubt.
  • a survey of the Ubuntu community to gather (and publish) information about common perceptions of Debians position and role with respect to Ubuntu and vice versa. Again, this is something for the Ubuntu Community Council.
  • steps to ensure better familiarity with the Debian-Ubuntu situation among the Ubuntu community members.
  • a dedicated space for Debian people to go and be heard. Maybe the #debian-ubuntu channel on irc.debian.org will suffice, if some of the Canonical/Ubuntu higher-ups make an effort to keep an eye on it.
  • further steps by Canonical towards improving the relationship between the two projects, which could include regular meetings (or even irregular ones), uniting prominent representatives from both sides.
If I may add a thought that has come up lately (it's not only mine): a derivative like Ubuntu, namely one pushing Debian to the desktop, is an important asset for Debian. However, the only way this is going to work from the Debian perspective is as a mutual effort. If Canonical/Ubuntu do not realise this, maybe another derivative has to step in to fill the void? I hope this blog entry accomplishes what it tries, namely to shed some (more) light onto the relationship between Debian and Ubuntu, and to help the Canonical/Ubuntu side better understand the Debian perspective. Sorry for the length, I've worked on this entry ever since Debconf6 and despite a lot of editing (also by others; thank you!), it just wouldn't get shorter. Thanks for reading it all (assuming that's what you did if you arrived here). Update: this post has spread significantly, it seems. Thanks to all who've passed it on. I know of the following threads that ensued: If you find any others, please let me know.

4 July 2006

Evan Prodromou: 16 Messidor CCXIV

We hit Movies 4 Mommies again this morning, although some horrible construction project on Av Papineau around Jean Talon made us about 20 minutes late. They say that there are two seasons in Quebec: winter, and construction. I think they say that about a lot of places, though. Today's movie was The Devil Wears Prada, which reads much better in French on the posters at the theater: Le Diable s'habille en Prada. It's the story of a girl who wants to be a journalist and takes a job as the assistant to a powerful fashion publisher. It stars Anne Hathaway of The Princess Diaries as the earnest young striver and Meryl Streep as the Andy Warhol-like cruel and judgemental boss-lady. The girl learns about love, life, and being true to yourself. In other words, it was sappy dreck. But it was watchable dreck, unlike the horrible Click we saw last week. I didn't feel stupid for sitting through this movie, which is pretty low praise but for the Mommy Matinee there's only so much you can do. The only bummer is that Streep's character spoke in a ferocious, disdainful whisper, which was hard to hear over the crying babies. tags:

Lawn After the movie we stopped by the Canada Tire in March Central for some garden supplies. I'd promised Maj for a Mother's Day gift that I'd convert the 10'x10' square of weeds and trash outside the front door of our apartment into a nice lawn for sitting on and drinking white wine, but it was raining on Mother's Day and one thing or another got in the way of me actually doing what I said I was going to do. Until now. I had weeded the lawn on Sunday, which was pretty damn hard -- the weeds were waist-high and full of barbs and fluff and procrastination and other defense mechanisms. But I managed to rip out almost everything with a leafspan greater than half a centimeter, which left most of the area bare of plants. We spread out some grass seed given to us by friends Tara and Chris, but I wanted to give it a little more care. So I got one of those pushy lawn mowers at Canada Tire, and a big rake, and some grass seed with fertilizer mixed in since I'm apparently too lazy to mix it together myself. I assembled the mower when we got home, then mowed what was left of the grass down to a low buzzcut. I raked the little square like the dickens to get out the old leaves and dead grass and rocks and sticks and cigarette butts and wrappers, which had the side benefit of turning over the soil, too. Then I threw big handfuls of grass-seed with fertilizer pellets all over the resulting mulched up soil. Some water, some cleanup, and voila: I have what looks like a patch of dirt with seeds in it. Hopefully this will become a lush lawn sometime in the near future, because we also bought some beautiful fold-up wt:Muskoka chairs to put on the front lawn. I think these are just about the same as wp:Adirondack chairs, but I'm sure some expert in patio furniture could explain the difference. They are, however, my favorite kind of chair, and I'm looking forward to sitting out there with some white wine in a few weeks once the lawn grows in. Like, I dunno... maybe Labo[u]r Day. tags:

Hey, Baby Speaking of national (international?) holidays, in the aristo calendar it's the 4th of July. Happy Independence Day, everyone. My favorite 4th of July media item is the great song "4th of July" by X from their album See How We Are. X has an X the Band myspace thingy, which seems to play 4th of July when you navigate to it today. Which, like, hooray for them. Go, X. Amita June and I danced around the house this morning singing the "America -- Fuck Yeah!" song from Team America: World Police. Sometimes I wonder how Amita June is going to feel about her "dual heritage" when she grows up. She's got a Canadian passport and an American one; I hope for her that she'll be better able to appreciate the world by having that dual perspective. I've heard that there are parts of the world where Americans living abroad get together on the 4th of July and have hot dogs and toss the ol' pigskin around and stuff. I don't know if there's an Americans get-together in Montreal, and I kind of don't care. It's not like we're stationed in Siberia here, and we need to congregate once a year to remember what "home" was like. Quebec isn't so far from the US that I feel homesick for American culture -- just homesick for the people. I think the US Embassy in wt:Ottawa has a big party, but the Montreal US Consulate doesn't seem to. Which is probably just as well -- it's at the top floor of a 30-story building, which would make barbecuing hard, and playing tag football on the roof would probably be dangerous ("Go long!"). tags:

.de vs. .it Of course, there aren't any Stars and Stripes flying in Montreal today -- all the houses we passed today were flying the Italian flag, for the World Cup semifinals. Montreal has a vibrant Little Italy, and the residents and other Italians in Quebec are going nuts for the Cup games. I can't imagine what's going to happen tonight if Italy wins. I saw one car driving around with a German flag on the roof today... I hope they guy makes it home in one piece, is all I can say. I like the name "Little Italy" -- it makes me think of a cross between wt:Palermo and wp:Munchkinland. Like, 1-meter-tall Italians drinking espresso and playing tarantellas and dancing and cheering with those tiny squeaky speeded-up Alvin-and-the-Chipmunk voices. Teensy-weensy Italy! Itty-bitty Italy! It's so cute! tags:

Grilling After reading the Meathenge slapdown for once-a-year barbecuers, I'm once again happy that I'm a vegetarian (more or less). I just can't compete in that league, and my little propane BBQ with veggie burgers, portabellos and an occasional trout is enough for me, thanks. tags:

Wikitravel 10K Party I just announced on wt:Wikitravel:4 July 2006 that Maj and I are going to throw a little Wikitravel 10K Party during Wikimania 2006. I'm going to be presenting about Wikitravel and travel guide wikis, so it's going to be an exciting event for us. On a side note, it looks like we'll be in wt:Odense for Wikisym. Lots of people we like there, and Maj has always wanted to be in wt:Saint Petersburg for her birthday, so this will probably be close enough. tags:

El Destino One of the great minds of the Internet goes incognito as El Destino on Pigdog Journal. He may be one of the best media commentators I've ever read, and I'm proud to say that I know him well. Or, well, used to. He's written two articles for Pigdog Journal lately after a 3-4 year hiatus (I think... something like that). His article on the Devo + Disney combination is really funny and good. I hope I hear his voice more often; sometimes I wonder what he thinks of the Web in 2006. tags:

Stephen Hawking and the Long View Dr. Stephen Hawking asked Yahoo! Answers, " How can the human race survive the next hundred years?". tags:

28 May 2006

Martin F. Krafft: Aftereffects of the keysigning experiment

The experiment I conducted at the last keysigning party caused this thread (cross-posted to here). While the discussion has long gone way off-topic, some interesting points have been raised. I also took the opportunity to clarify my point of view a bit on the issue over the previous blog post:
The Debian project heavily relies on keysigning for much of its work. However, I think the question what the signing of a key actually accomplishes has not been properly addressed. In my opinion, from the point of view of the Debian project, a person's actual identity (as in the name on your birth certificate) matters very little; the Debian project does not actively interfere with a person's real life in such a way as to require the birth certificate identity (legal cases, liability issues, etc.). Moreover, it's rather trivial in several countries of this world to change your official name. In this context, even the claim that in the case of a trust abuse, your reputation throughout the FLOSS community (and the rest of the Internet) should be properly tarnished, does not stand, IMHO. From within the project, what matters is that everything you do within the project can be attributed to one and the same person: the same person that went through our NM process. The GPG key is one technical measure to allow for this form of identification. Its purpose is not, as Micah Anderson states, a means to confirm the validity of a government-issued ID. This brings me to a point which Andreas Schuldei nicely stated at the beginning of the thread (as did others throughout):
I do not need an ID to identify martin, so i dont need to rely on his (forged or real) passport or other id from him in order to sign his key. If you did not know him before you should not sign his key (if your judgement was based on the unofficial ID).
When Andreas signs my ID, he voices his trust in that I am who I claim to be, and he does so not because I presented him with an ID with the claimed name, but because we've interacted many times before. In that line, Gunnar's point stands:
Maybe we should just drop holding KSPs, and fall back to the traditional method of "Hey, nice dinner we had yesterday. Say, now that you know me, my family and my history, would you like to sign my key as well?" - Signing for people you actually know, not just linking
In my eyes, this is exactly what a keysigning is and should be all about: a statement of familiarity with a person, nothing more and nothing less. And as a project, we should either accept that, or find a better way to identify our developers. So what to do in this very situation? Should you revoke your signature from my key (or not even sign it in the first place)? Should you revoke or refuse signatures to all participants, because some claim the keysigning party to have been subverted? I think the answer to both cases should be: no, unless you have not previously known the person whose key you wish to sign. That's exactly what makes this decision very subjective, and a public call such as the original post rather unnecessary and missing the point.
If you do not care to read the entire thread, here are some of the better replies (in no particular order): One question that arouse while reading this thread is whether Debian could actually persecute one of its members for computer fraud/sabotage/whatever on an international level. And if so, would the real identity really help that much, given that we'll have countless IP addresses to go by? I know it would make things easier (despite it being only a name, no identity, as there is not birthplace or birthdate), but is it worth the hassle?

12 February 2006

Andres Seco Hernandez: Happy Birthday, guadawireless


Four years ago, Febreary 7, 2002, some people in Guadalajara, Spain, starts connecting some houses using 802.11b in ad-hoc mode. After 4 years, there are a very interesting network of 89 operational and ready to free use nodes conecting the set of free networks of Guadalajara. You can see it at http://www.guadawireless.net.

A lot of services inside the network are free too, and almost all the servers in the network are hosted by Debian running machines. There are a lot of Linksys WRT54G using diferent versions of free firmwares (mainly OpenWRT), and a lot of SMC/USR access points with LinuxAP firmware.

Thanks to all the people involved in the project and happy birthday.

Andres Seco Hernandez: Too much work may be no good


Sometimes i ask me about the sense of too much work, too many pending tasks and getting involved in more things i can do. Perhaps i am the type of people that can not say "no" when somebody ask me to do something.

I think there are two type of people from the point of view of creativity and contribution of contents , providers and consumers, servers and clients ;-). Some of my friends are only consumers, they do not want to provide anything of this type of things (documents, images, events, aplications, theathre, etc.), they even think that near people that is creating and contributing are going to be in trouble and are going to have a lot of work that will prevent to have time to dedicate it to they themselves. And perhaps they are right.

But somebody will have it to do.

Since i can remember, i have been in the side of the "servers". In the theater of the school, in the choir of the church, developing aplications, coordinating free network projects, etc.

And i know i have lost a lot of experiences in the side of the "clients". I am surprised of the amount of things that I am losing myself not being an Internet "consumer" or a theater "consumer" or a computer "consumer".

But somebody will have it to do.

Have a good day.

1 January 2006

Joshua Kwan: ALAC decoder hacking

On the advice of one of my Mac-using friends, I read this article on Slashdot. Pretty cool, I thought, and fairly relevant seeing that I am still actively hacking on ify. As one might expect, I concluded that it would be pretty neat if ify were the first tool to be able to simplify conversion between ALAC and other formats like FLAC, MP3, and Ogg Vorbis. At about 1:30AM, I realized that the first hurdle was that the ALAC decoder did not have a facility to access the metadata in ALAC files. At 5:30AM, I was pretty much done. This required me to study the QuickTime container format, I had to understand the ALAC decoder API, then I wrote the code, then debugged it to hell while I continued to familiarize myself with the nature of the QuickTime format. (I don’t know about you, but that hacking session felt like 1 hour. Maybe 30 minutes even.) By that time I had added support to ify to use the new extension to the ALAC decoder. (here’s a patch if you’re interested.) With the help of said Mac-using friend I got some ALAC files (hey, they are actually from albums I own) and tested them this afternoon after 42nd rehearsal. Behold: 
darjeeling:~ 0 % alac -i 2-11 Stop.m4a
Available track information:
title: Stop
artist: Pink Floyd
album: The Wall (Disc 2)
disk: 2
date: 1979
tool: iTunes v4.7.1
tracknumber: 11
genre: Rock
darjeeling:~ 0 % flacify 2-11 Stop.m4a
[alac->flac] 2-11 Stop.m4a
darjeeling:~ 0 % ogg123 2-11 Stop.flac 
Audio Device:   OSS audio driver output 
Playing: 2-11 Stop.flac
FLAC stream: 16 bits, 2 channel, 44100 Hz
Track number: 11
Album: The Wall (Disc 2)
Artist: Pink Floyd
Disk: 2
Tool: iTunes v4.7.1
Date: 1979
Title: Stop
Done.
Pretty…

30 December 2005

Andres Seco Hernandez: Video again, sponsoring and Noche Vieja


Holger Levsen wrote me with news from "the lost video" from debconf-es II. It has a special meaning for me, as my old boss and dear friend, Salvador Garcia, talks about the reasons we must continue looking for new software options continuosly. Holger gets the VHS tape and i didn't remember about it. Thanks, Holger.

Finally my ipw2200 runs with the correct firmware version in 2.6.14. Uff.

I have spent this two last nights reviewing some packages from two future NM, Ivan Forcada and Javier Ballesteros. They are swscanner, ksalup and mgm. Sponsoring packages is really hard. If they were my own packages i have not to explain what i see inadecuate, but i think is worth enough because they have much ilusion and desire to contribute something to the project. Amaya talk in debconf-es II about "El sponsor, ese animal esquivo" was really funny. I am thinking about creating an Amaya's Fun Club, as she made with Branden ;-)

Be careful with alcohol in the last night of the year. We call it in Spain "Noche Vieja".

Fun for all.

26 December 2005

Andres Seco Hernandez: Tired of video conversions and ipw2200


After many hours capturing some videos from DebConf-es II, i realize that the inaguration act is not recorded. The tape is as virgin as originally. Aggggh!!! The hardware will be hot this cold night recoding audio and video.

In my new computer, a HP nx8220, i have failed for the third time trying to load the wifi card firmware. I though this wouldn't be a problem, in my old acer i had it running almost without problems. Alvaro, my companion, has obtained it in the same portatil some hours ago. I have lost ;-)

25 December 2005

Andres Seco Hernandez: Merry Xmas


Perhaps people needs a good reason to keep in touch with somebody a lot time ago loose contact. Christmas, i think, is just a good reason to call them and lought some time about old reminds.

I promise to call some old friends during this days, and to finish my compromise to see inside some packages two future (i am sure) DD to upload soon as sponsorized packages.

Merry Xmas for all of you, and all other people.

Andres Seco Hernandez: Re-Starting my blog


After debdonf-es II i will try to get my blog again up. A lot of work in the last weeks preparing the event but many satisfied people talking around.

My blog is just a wiki page, so i have done a little script in perl to extract contents and generate a RSS 2.0 for planet.debian.org. If you want it, ask me, this wiki is a very old phpwiki embedded on a postnuke cms, so almost nobody in the world can use it directly. The main part of the script is a sql loop that calls XML::RSS to generate the feed.

In this new era of my blog, i will write in english, so, prepare you to read a lot of stupid errors :-(

Have a good day.

23 November 2005

Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho: The Finnish Criminal Court System

(Reposted from old blog) Inspired by Matthew Palmer’s writings (1, 2) on his experiences about the Australian judicial system, I decided to write a series of essays on the Finnish legal system, mostly to contrast it with the universally familiar United State system (even if that universal familiarity is a little skewed by generally having been obtained from dramatizations and not actual court practice). I will concentrate on criminal cases. I will write based on my personal experience as a part of the judicial system, and I will be supplementing the experience with my personal research into law. I am not legally trained, but I have read a fair bit of law and related literature. I am a lay judge in the Jyv skyl District court. I will explain the significance of that later, but I hope it suffices to say, here, that I have sat on the bench, as part of four-judge panels, since March this year, in ten sessions each a day long, and each containing at least two, usually four or five criminal cases. Some highlights: Later essays in this series: Fictional depictions of court cases in this series: Read more

Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho: How I will be spending March

I just sent the following email to certain mailing lists and individuals on campus:
Did you ever wonder how computers could be made prove theorems? Did you ever look at logic and tell yourself, wow, this should be automated? Are you... ... an IT student interested in logic or software/hardware verification? ... a math student with a taste for logic and the foundations of mathematics, and with an interest in computer science? Starting on Tuesday, 2 March 2004, I will give a series of lectures on *** Automated Reasoning (TIE 329, 2 cr) *** We will look at how logical information can be processed on a computer. We will discuss (both in theory and in practice) fundamental automated reasoning methods such as unification, resolution and semantic tableaux. In the end, we will have constructed a simple automated reasoning system. A familiarity with first-order (predicate) logic is necessary. Other prerequisities are the Automata and formal language course (or equivalent) and programming experience. Enroll via Korppi. The course has a home page at http://www.mit.jyu.fi/antkaij/opetus/ap/2004/. For the benefit of our foreign students, we will use the English language.

14 November 2005

Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho: The Finnish Criminal Court System

Inspired by Matthew Palmer's writings (1, 2) on his experiences about the Australian judicial system, I decided to write a series of essays on the Finnish legal system, mostly to contrast it with the universally familiar United State system (even if that universal familiarity is a little skewed by generally having been obtained from dramatizations and not actual court practice). I will concentrate on criminal cases. I will write based on my personal experience as a part of the judicial system, and I will be supplementing the experience with my personal research into law. I am not legally trained, but I have read a fair bit of law and related literature. I am a lay judge in the Jyv skyl District court. I will explain the significance of that later, but I hope it suffices to say, here, that I have sat on the bench, as part of four-judge panels, since March this year, in ten sessions each a day long, and each containing at least two, usually four or five criminal cases. Some highlights: Later essays in this series: See more ...

3 November 2005

MJ Ray: Local tale of converting to debian servers

This reminded me a lot of the diaries which used to appear in some columns in Computer Express, which I read when first starting out:
"I've learned a lot more in the past two days that I would have done just using Ubuntu on my laptop and having the odd fiddle with different apps. Never *ever* let your kids near your servers......."
-- Win2k to Linux upgrade, or "How I learned to Love the Kernel" by Paul Ireland to Peterboro' LUG Over in Norwich, people are preparing for the Norwich Forum on ID Cards this Saturday.

28 October 2005

Clint Adams: I failed this quiz

  1. Whose grave have you always wanted to visit?
  2. Why are there so many fat chicks at ren faires?
  3. Is it more ethical to shop at WalMart or steal from WalMart?
  4. Is there a book you have been trying to finish for years? If so, what is it, why can't you get through it, and why can't you give up on this book?
  5. A ten-year-old child reading a comic book should be ________
  6. What is your ?
  7. Do you have a favorite country? Why?
  8. Typical desert island stranding: what is your ideal rescue scenario?
  9. Without googling, do you know for what Rhysling Awards are given?
  10. How would you react to the following situation: 
    You are walking down a quiet country road.
Up ahead, lying in the dirt, is a little baby bird.
Both its wings are broken.
You have a hammer.
I'm told that the last question was plagiarized from The Doug Anthony All Stars.

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