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7 February 2007

Meike Reichle: Planet weirdness or Dear Lazyweb

Should you be reading this blog via planet.debian.org, you may have noticed, that since a few days my posts stay on top of the page much longer than they should, usually for a few hours, and then start wandering down with the rest. The problem is: I am not editing my posts. Checking my rss feed shows a pubDate, e.g. Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:26:00 CEST for my last post, and that pubDate doesn't change. Could it be a problem, that the pubDate is in CEST rather than, say, UTC? Or that it doesn't give the offset? I am using blosxom and this began happening when I removed the until then unconfigured timezone plugin from /etc/blosxom/plugins/ because I wanted the date of my posts to be at my local time and that (actually) works without having the timezone plugin, so I thought I wouldn't need it. I've now replaced it and set the timezone to CEST. This didn't affect the pubDate of my rss, but maybe it will fix my planet problem. If not, any other ideas how to fix this would be most welcome. UpdateAs I've been made aware by several people, we currently have CET, not CEST. Thanks for mentioning :) I am still trying to find the reason for all this. In the meantime, please excuse my planet b0rking.

MJ Ray: Gov: Kewstoke: February

Last Monday (5 Feb), I observed a meeting of Kewstoke Parish Council I mentioned the forthcoming North Somerset Cycle Forum but most of the public contributions were about the Cygnet Hospital. The hospital was accused of breaking promises given last year to the village and the police, namely: They also have some faulty light timers, floodlighting neighbouring houses from 1am to 6am every day. That's both antisocial and wasteful. A terrible way for Cygnet to keep their neighbours awake. Is it any wonder that there's an outcry? Regardless of what I think about the above promises, Cygnet should do what they said and not behave antisocially, or be punished. Fine them a century per night per house for the lights and they'd soon fix them, I'm sure! There was also some comeback on the Kewstoke toll road farce. The district council's panel has asked the officers to reexamine the options, after they noticed the creative accounting of including road maintenance (which must be done whether or not the road has a toll) in the toll cost. There was a reporter from the Mercury present, so maybe this will appear in their edition later this week.

Christian Perrier: fr: 99.817%, cs: 92.667%

These are the current translation ratios for French and Czech in unstable, after 20 days of "blitz l10n NMU". No blog entry yesterday, sorry for those of you who like the "bubulle fights the dragon" adventures. I was travelling from Paris to Badajoz/Spain for the Free Software World Conference. Frans Pop, Wookey, Martin Michlmayr, Knut Yrvin and I will give a common talk about the results of the "Extremadura work sessions" funded by the regional government of Extremadura last year. My net connection will be jerky as we have a very good connection at the conference site, but nothing at the hotel (except a ridiculously expensive Telefonia wireless, which can't even be circumvented with IP-over-DNS). viewvc is to be uploaded by ender very soon. No news for dpkg-cross. A NMU is pretty likely now. I just uploaded a few more NMU's today as I got network again:

Evan Prodromou: 17 Pluvi se CCXV

I got in late last night, and I've been trying to get caught up on all the various aspects of my life. I spent some time on the plane writing up my RecentChangesCamp 2007 notes, which aren't yet done. But I hit the ground running today. All charged up from a weekend of wiki talk, I decided to exercise some DoOcracy and organize this month's Wiki Wednesday here in Montreal. It wasn't really that hard -- I just made sure that the great meeting space at La Bande-passante was available, then updated the Montreal Wiki Wednesday page and sent out a link to the RoCoCo discussion list for good measure. I'm pretty excited to start discussions about RoCoCo, the Montreal RecentChangesCamp coming up May 18-20. We're about 3 months out, and although Anne and Antoine have done a ton of prep work, we still have a lot to do to get ready. tags:

Wiki Wednesday Portland Speaking of WW, I find it hard to believe that Portland, the so-called "Wiki City", doesn't have its own Wiki Wednesday event. I'm sure everyone there is burnt out right now, but it'd still be really useful. tags:

OpenID and CardSpace So, it seems like everybody and their dog is nattering about Bill Gates's announcement that Microsoft will be supporting the OpenID single sign-on solution in some future version of CardSpace. This is probably quite good for people who are using Microsoft desktop platforms, and obviously very good for those of us who already have OpenID deployed (like Wikitravel does). But I wonder if Windows Live ID users will be able to fully participate in the already growing world of OpenID-enabled sites. It would be cool if a Live Spaces URL, like http://evanprodromou.spaces.live.com/, it's possible someone smart is going to create a Live-ID-to-OpenID bridge, like idproxy is for Yahoo IDs. tags:

Meike Reichle: Second and third day in Luxembourg

Right, back from Luxembourg and here's how the other two days went: I woke up pretty early on Friday. Damn sportsmen, seems they all jump out of bed at 6 am, to happily (and noisily) engage in their respective sports. Horrible. I've never heard so many people be in such a good mood at such an early hour.
Breakfast was great though! I spent the rest of the day at the LinuxDays site. It was situated in the ground floor of the Centre de Recherche Public Henri Tudor and consisted of two rooms for talks and workshops and a tiny exhibition area with tables from Lilux, CAcert and a book shop. (Oooh, the temptation!!) It was also possible, to sit in the nearby cafe, which was right next to the exhibition area. Unfortunately LinuxDays.lu don't provide any kind of hacking centre (read: chair + table + power plugs), but the friendly people from CAcert offered me a seat at their booth/table so I could do some work. My talk went quite good. I didn't feel as comfortable giving it as I usually do, since it weren't my slides. But I still think it went quite well and there were some interesting questions afterwards. There aren't any recordings of the talk, but the slides can as usually be found in the talks section of my homepage. The third day started as the second one, but this time I stayed in bed and watched the Sendung mit der Maus instead of getting up at such an inappropriately early hour. I had actually planned to travel back to Hildesheim by train, but the very nice guys from quintessenz.at offered me a ride to Mannheim, which made my journey back home a lot more pleasant and also much more comfortable, since I could then take a direct train from Mannheim to Hildesheim. Concluding, I'd like to thank the organisers of LinuxDays.lu for the really good service! (I've never before been at a Linux Day where speakers were provided with such a lot of stuff. (Free hotel, travel reimbursement, free food AND a book from the book shop! Yay!) It's been really fun, speaking at this event and I can recommend it to anyone. LinuxDays.lu may not be the biggest or most popular Linux Day, but it's a really nice local event and very professionally organised! PS: So, where are the pictures I promised?
They are in a directory on my home machine, and this will remain the only place they're at until I've found a simple script to generate web galleries (such as album, galrey, jigl, shalbum ...) that manages to generate a gallery that doesn't use tables but CSS or I found the time to rewrite or produce an according template for any of these scripts. Grrr.

David Nusinow: We've Moved!

For several months now, the XSF has been discussing, planning, and preparing to move from our old reliable svn repository to our new distributed git repositories on git.debian.org. As of a few minutes ago, that move is complete.

I'd like to thank the Alioth admins for setting up git.debian.org and letting us hammer it with the whole xorg codebase. Also deserving the lion's share of the credit for this move is Thierry Reding, who wrote the infrastructure and did a lot of debugging of the conversion script that came with git to let us make this move. It was a huge task, and I'm still amazed at how quickly he managed to pull it off.

I'm really excited that this is finally done. I've been wanting to have our codebase in some sort of distributed system ever since I started working on xorg a while back. Because I was deriving packages from Ubuntu, who was in turn deriving packages from us, it seemed like having the whole thing in a distributed system would have made my life a lot easier. It would also potentially make it easier on other derivatives who customize the X packages, like Knoppix. For a while I thought we were going to move to mercurial, but once X.org itself moved to git, it only made sense to follow suit. I'm excited at the benefits that this move will provide us, which will hopefully translate to faster updates and higher quality packages for Debian users. And this is only the beginning of what's going to come during the Lenny release cycle.

6 February 2007

David Moreno Garza: Go Sam! Mexico is with you!

I almost felt into tears when I found out that our Sam is running for DPL on 2007 :’) Mexico is with you, Sam!

The people united, will never be defeated!

Ross Burton: Xrandr 1.2

Since I got my 20" widescreen monitor in the summer, I discovered how bad X's support for resizing displays is. I wanted to have the ability to plug my laptop into the 20" display in the office and expand the desktop to 1680x1050, or remove the 20" display and shrink the desktop back down to the native resolution of 1024x768. It turns out that a number of factors were stopping this, and the only way to do it would have been to restart X. Because of this I ended up using the display at 1024x768 when I did use it, but mostly I stayed on the sofa. Then I heard about xrandr 1.2, the all-singing all-dancing revision of the X Resize and Rotate extension. Basically, it would solve my problem, and as luck would have it my laptop has an Intel chipset and the people hacking on it work at Intel. Yesterday after lots of poking I finally made it all work for this. This involved a lot of poking and a little black magic. The first step is getting an X server new enough. First, you'll need to update some X protocol headers. We'll start with the easy ones that have had releases (grab the latest release you can find): Then you'll need to update various other bits of X: Once this is done and X still works, it's time to brave the perilous world of git. If you've never used git before, it's quite simple for this. Go to the git browser and find the module you want to check out. Click on it, and you'll see two URLs: you want the anongit one. Do git clone [url], and then if I've specified a branch other than master, cd into the directory and do git checkout [branch]. For example:
git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel
cd xf86-video-intel
git checkout modesetting
You'll need to grab: Build it all in that order. The order is important as if you build the Intel driver against randr 1.0 instead of 1.2, it won't do what you want. By now you should have an X that looks no different. But...
$ xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1680 x 1050
VGA disconnected 0mm x 0mm
LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 246mm x 185mm
   1024x768       50.0 +   60.0*    40.0  
   800x600        60.3  
   640x480        60.0     59.9  
TV disconnected 0mm x 0mm
Now that is clever. Here you can see that I don't have anything connected via VGA, my LVDS (no idea what this stands for, but it means the laptop's panel) has a preferred mode of 1024x768 (thats what the * means), and I have nothing connected to the TV output (because Lenovo didn't wire it up). Now if I plug something into the VGA and run xrandr -s 0 (select default screen size), the external display should power on. Xrandr doesn't try to be too clever, it will leave that to desktop daemons, but by default it will try and make something appear on all of the connected displays. In this case, my 20" TFT gets a clone of my laptop panel, at 1024x768. That is no good though, I want to turn off the laptop panel (as I'll be shutting the laptop) and switch the external display to 1680x1050. This is where the black magic starts... Currently the Intel driver cannot resize the physical framebuffer in memory after X has started, so it defaults to a framebuffer of 1200x1024 (IIRC). That isn't big enough to hold 1680x1050. Also the Intel driver doesn't detect any modes from the TFT. This may be Dell being stupid, or the EDID parser in the driver being too restrictive, I don't know. Luckily we can still use modelines in xorg.conf so I added this:
Section "Monitor"
        Identifier "Dell TFT"
        # This is a standard modeline for 1680x1050 at 60Hz
        Modeline "1680x1050" 149.00  1680 1760 1944 2280  1050 1050 1052 1089
EndSection
        
Section "Screen"
        Identifier      "Screen"
        Device          "Intel"
        Monitor         "Monitor"
        # This says that when using a monitor on the output called VGA, use the
        # settings in the monitor "Dell TFT"
        Option "monitor-VGA" "Dell TFT"
        DefaultDepth    24
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth 24
                # This tells the screen to allocate a frame buffer up to
                # 1680x1050.
                Virtual 1680 1050
        EndSubSection
EndSection
With this, everything just works. If I xrandr with various displays plugged in I can see what they support and can switch modes. To make everything nice and easy I wrote a small script that I bound to an unused function key:
if xrandr -q   grep -q  "VGA connected"; then
  xrandr --output LVDS --off --output VGA --mode 1680x1050
else
  xrandr --output VGA --off --output LVDS --mode 1024x768
fi
(thanks to Eric for pointing out that I don't need to use the hex values). Simple! As you can see the new xrandr is very powerful. If you want to do Xinerama-style dual screen you can do that too: xrandr 1.2 encompasses that behaviour. The final thing to point out is how glad I am that GNOME seems to handle the screen resizing like this so nicely already. When the desktop shrinks Metacity moves windows so they are visible, and when the desktop expands the panel applets on the right stay on the right instead of sitting in the middle. The script I run when I change screens does more than I pasted here: it changes the wallpaper to match the aspect ratio, and also changes the fonts. I hope this has made sense, I know there are a few people out there who were waiting for me to test this before they gave it a go. If anything is too vague, leave a comment and I'll expand it. I should also mention that I've got Ubuntu Edgy packages for everything here in my repository. NP: Animal Magic, Bonobo

Miriam Ruiz: About the NM process

There’s a huge problem with the educational system as we know it. It doesn’t teach people how to think, to be creative, or even to improve their knowledge. When a kid goes to school, the first thing they learn is that the answers they must give are not what they consider to be truth, but what they think the teachers want to hear. When you’re in high school, or at university, you have the inner feeling that you must behave, or else. I had personal problems with a teacher at university, and learnt that you’re helpless in that situation. The motto would be that if you want to finish university, you should take care about getting on with the teachers. The result are submissive citizens that won’t face authority even if they know they’re right, in order to avoid problems. One of the best things in Debian is that is revolutionary, belief-guided. People do what they feel they should do, according to their own beliefs, and mostly don’t care about having trouble with the “authority”. That’s something I really like a lot, and respect. Of course that is also the source of multiple fights and disagreements, but usually the result of those is a better solution that whatever could be achieved by an authority imposition from the power-handling people. I like the revolutionary face of Debian as much as I like the technical one, and wouldn’t like losing it. The NM process is Debian’s “university”. It’s the process in which new generations of developers will enter the project. Therefore, whatever is done with it will highly influence middle-term evolution of Debian. Of course, the NM process must assure that people becoming developers have enough technical skills, and also that they’re ideologically aligned with the Social Contract. Otherwise it wouldn’t make sense. What should be taken care about is that the NM process don’t filter side thinking, creativeness, confrontation with authority or the will to make a better world. I wouldn’t like an NM process that promoted the same submissive values that the educational system does.

MJ Ray: Bad Tech: Bad Solutions: Ban the Net

It's the Fourth Safer Internet Day which is fine in itself, but it also seems to be an excuse for politicians and journalists to say stupid things about the internet. Example 1: Interior Minister John Reid suggests making sex offenders register all email addresses and internet nicknames - seems fine at first reading, but then you realise that anyone can have an infinite number of email addresses and nicknames and wonder how the hell the police will cope with a denial-of-service attack that enumerates each address and nickname in turn. a@mydomain, b@mydomain, ... z@mydomain, aa@mydomain, ab@... you get the idea? Example 2: BBC Five Live asks 'Should websites that promote anorexia be shut down?' which was also subject of an ITV news programme called 'thinternet' yesterday evening - There are practical problems shutting down any web site (censorship is often seen as damage and the internet can route around it) and if it's not on the web, it will be passed from person to person. It's shameful that Eating Disorders Awareness Week is getting hijacked by this futility. Can someone get these people to realise that banning and controlling things on the internet is about as easy as controlling radio waves? The radio laws are mostly unenforced against small offenders because they are mostly unenforceable without a huge police force. The solutions will come from addressing the problems (sex offences, eating disorders) not the symptoms (email addresses, web sites).

Adam Rosi-Kessel: Google Observations

Changes are afoot at Google. A couple of weeks ago Google announced that it is refining its algorithms to minimize the impact of “Google Bombs.” (It’s curious that they made a big announcement rather than just doing it covertly, but perhaps this way they get to control how the news is framed.) Apparently, link text will be weighted less heavily in determining relevance to search terms. Presumably this means the page content will get more weight — ultimately there are only a few parameters that can serve as inputs in PageRank. A couple of weeks ago, I adopted the name Substantially Similar for this blog. I was looking for something clever and suggestive of the focus of this blog, but not overly clever or too narrowly focused. (I leave it to my readers to tell me if it works.) As a test case for Google’s new algorithm, this seems to be proof positive: Substantially Similar Web Search I am fairly certain no one has created a link to me yet with the link text “substantially similar,” yet I’m already the top result. Another change I noticed is the substitution of third-party descriptions of URLs instead of excerpt text. I don’t know if this is a new development or not, but it’s an interesting departure from what I’ve seen before: Google Excerpt Text That last link above is my old law school outline site — and the text “not fancy, but tons of outlines” doesn’t appear anywhere on the page itself. Instead, it is a description of the site from a couple of outline “portal” pages.

5 February 2007

Julien Danjou: DPL election begin

Since yesterday, the election process of the Debian Project Leader started. It's now time for nomination, as explained in the mail that our dear secretary sent (with the same paragraph twice, ahah, I am mean, I know, sorry). I really wish that this year some people are going to be really inside the project, will listen to developers and will give a big kick in the bushes. Years after years, we really need it more and more. A lot of people[1] are asking if I'm going to be a candidate this year. No, you know, I know I'm so famous and loved that I would be elected right away, but I don't think I'm the man. I prefer to give a chance to others people. And I heard that some real good developers are going to make this happening. I assure I will be behind them! If I were you, I'd stay tuned, because I believe that this year might be a real turn for Debian!
Notes [1] Not true right now, but I'm sure it will be soon.

Enrico Zini: pmdraft-commandline

Second generation package manager - First shellish prototype As you know, I'd like to experiment with prototyping some new interface concepts for package managers. I put together a prototype backend and hacked a cmd-based shell interface for it. You should be able to fetch it with:
bzr branch http://people.debian.org/~enrico/2007-01/popcon/
The files involved are pm.py, pmnew and a very little bit of anapop.py. You run it with ./pmnew. The commands are: This can be an example session to try:
tags
search toy
tags
packages
tags
desired 1
packages
info 3
If you: then the list of available packages will be sorted using my recent web interface prototype for popcon-based suggestions. Matt Good and Thomas Viehmann volunteered to have a try at a GUI. This can only be fun.

Mike Hommey: Google Keywords

I’ve done this exercise a long time ago, but I think last time was before the first post with Wordpress. So here it is: my improbable (or not) best of search engines keywords for january (provided by webalizer). “ ” - !
“debian fundamentalism” - where ?
“asa dotzler troll” - did Blake Ross post here ?
“could have agree with you anymore” - all your opinion are belong to you
“do i need firefox if i have iceweasel” - firewhat ?
“your name in firefox 2″ - I know
“lifelike androids” - paranoid ones are better
“dumb ass” - still ?
“blitzer blog” - wrong address
“a lot of horse facts” - i don’t know what to say
“damage harddisk instantly” - drop your laptop from the 10th floor
“iceape vs iceweasel” - none of the above
“do you like the american accent” - no
“facts about the horse” - what is it with the horse ?
“feliz a o nuevo happy new year ” - Bonne ann e !
“free mozilla firefox” - as in beer ?
“icebrowser community edition” - nice one
“normal life” - what is it ?
“shake laptop crash hard drive” - shake it the other way
“trademark versus copyright”, “trademark vs copyright”, “trademark vs copyright vs gpl”, “trademark vs reserved”, “trademarked and copyrighted logo”, “registered trade mark vs copyright” - ask mozilla, they are knowledgeable
“what should stop working” - you
“what is a patent” - something I hate (I’ll tell you stories about that soonish)
“why does debian call firefox iceweasel”, “why does debian name firefox iceweasel”, “why iceweasel debian instead firefox” - because we can’t call/name it firefox
“will flashplayer work with iceweasel” - why not ?

Jon Dowland: Battery statistics

Recently I've noticed my X40's battery life appears to not be what it once was. I was curious to work out precicely what it is, so I delved into the debian packages to see what I could find. There are two popular "standards" for power management: APM and ACPI. Hardware support for the two standards varies wildly across laptops, which is why we haven't entirely ditched APM and moved to ACPI for everything. The X40 (and thinkpads in general) have great ACPI support, so I use ACPI. Unfortunately most of the packages I've found that look like they might do what I want are for APM only:
battery-stats
...periodically collect statistics...show charge/discharge patterns over time...requires APM...
ibam
...advanced battery monitor for laptops...statistical and adaptive linear methods...requires /proc/apm.
Some other tools sounded great, but also a bit self-defeating:
collectd
...reads various system statistics and updates RRD files... promising so far; the statistics are very fine-grained since the files are updated every 10 seconds. Ack! The heisenberg principle will probably kick in a bit here, if the hard disk is going to spin up every 10 seconds.
It's starting to look like it might be worthwhile porting one of these to ACPI. Ben Hutchings is going to send me some example code he uses to monitor his battery in ion3. Mental note: file patches for the descriptions of those packages which do not make it clear which interface they support.

David Pashley: Last.fm Events in Google Calendar

If you use Last.fm, you may have got around to using their events feature where you can search for events near you and mark yourself attending those events. I was manually entering the information into my google calendar, which was a pain. Fortunately, being one of those hip, friendly web2.0 websites, Last.fm allows you to get your data out in all sorts of useful ways, including you event calendar as an iCal file. Google being useful, allow you to display external iCal files in your calendar. Can you see where I'm going with this? To get this up, log into you Google calendar, go to "Manage Calendars", then "Add Calendar", then "Public Calendar Address". Finally type in the url of your last.fm iCal file, which will be http://ws.audioscrobbler.com/1.0/user/dpash/events.ics, although obviously you need to change dpash to your particular last.fm username. Now, you only need to mark yourself attending a gig to have it show up in your Google calendar. You can use something like this to get it into your Evolution calendar.

Gustavo Franco: Debian Custom Search - The Cabal

Update (05/1): The cabal now emphasize Debian related websites (even the most obscure ones) but also return results to any other topic. I'm sure it's better than Google vanilla for Debian contributors, developers and dedicated users. Give it a try. ;-)

Update (02/1): OpenSearch support has been added. In other words if you're using Firefox or IE7+ (ouch!) add The Cabal in your browser now.Go to The Cabal page and click on your search engines box on top right, you will see "Add The Cabal" on the list.

I've just added a Debian related custom search engine to my people.d.o page. Actually it works using Google Custom Search Engine, but i plan to add Yahoo Search Engine Builder to the mix. The search engine is called "The Cabal".

What it is:
What it isn't:
What is coming?
Search examples:
Suggestions and feedback about how you are using the search are welcome.

MJ Ray: TTLLP Telephones

And the award for worst-addressed post yet goes to COLT Telecommunications for:
"TTLLP
Qewstoke (should be Kewstoke)
Summerset (should be Somerset)"
The dangers of using foreign call centres for data collection, I guess. At least they got the name, street and postcode correct, so it arrived. The post itself was pretty interesting. It said that 0870 numbers will stop being revenue-shared from February 2008, which seems to be confirmed by this Ofcom press release from April 2006 which I hadn't noticed. TTLLP trades its revenue-share for hunt, voicemail, fax termination and so on, so I wonder what will happen to that service after Feb 2008? We recently signed up for numbers where we get outbound SIP to PSTN calls too. I was undecided about which number to use in future, but I guess this means TTLLP will switch to 0844 or 01934. There's a bit of flaming going on at Say Not to 0870 which reminded me to update our entry there. The COLT mailshot came with a calendar to try to persuade you to move your 0870 numbers to them and you can order your own calendar on their site - pictures are holding hands, walking under an umbrella, Brussels Grand-Place (I think), tulips, rowers maybe on Lake Ontario, a diver, a boardwalk, dandelion seeds, walking through fallen leaves, the Millenium Wheel with fireworks, illuminated pine tree, starting an avalaunche and London commuters. Can anyone spot a theme there? I don't.

Martin F. Krafft: Cleaning HTML attachments from emails

Dear Lazyweb: do you know of a tool that can scrub text/html attachments from email, which have the message also in a text/plain attachment? I know storage is cheap these days, but with large mail volumes, there is a noticeable difference between storing 2k emails and 8k of redundancy. Previously, I would send auto-replies to get people to reconfigure their mailers, but that's not a battle I'll ever win, and there is no safe way to send auto-replies without annoying the living hell out of some people at some point. So I stopped and now want to switch to a local solution. I am sure the Anomy Sanitizer, or tools like MIMEDefang could be coerced into doing this, but they come with a lot of cruft that I do not need or want. Rather, I am looking for a lean and mean Unix-style pipe filter that will strip text/html parts if it has enough reason to believe that sibling text/plain parts carry the same information. It has to be capable of dealing with Unicode, or at least be 8bit-clean. And it has to work. Any comments appreciated! NP: Negua / A Way Out

Martin F. Krafft: Install full Vista from upgrade version

This is just hilarious and representative of a company that seems to have no idea about security or the ways of the hackers (from Monsters and Cirtics.com): With a DVD-based Windows Vista upgrade, you can install the complete version, even if you've never owned (or installed) Windows before. Simply don't enter the product key after booting from the DVD and install a 30-day trial. Then reboot with the DVD a second time, and now enter the product key. It will upgrade the trial to a full version. I am definitely not advocating anyone to do this because there are plenty of reasons to avoid Windows Vista; I just post this for the giggles. Microsoft, you are morons. Get a grip. You can't beat the "bad" guys at security. Noone can. And when it's about licencing costs, the only lucrative way seems to find real business models based on a non-volatile basis and with a more sustainable edge to them. NP: Green Carnation / Light of Day, Day of Darkness Update: In the light of the above story, this interview makes me laugh for the sheer amount of hot air. And then there is this this gem, an email from Jim Allchin to Billie Boy and his mate Stevie with fabulous statements, like "... our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, ... what security means..." (as if they ever knew...), or "I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft." That was 2004. Three years later it is as if this email had never been written.

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