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3 January 2009

Matthew Garrett: Analysis

While it's obvious that being a kernel developer is absolutely the best thing anyone in life could ever aspire to, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to justify not having just given up and gone off to be an analyst instead. Two stories stuck with me this week. The first claims that we can expect Android netbooks to be on sale within a year or so. The reasoning behind this? Android runs on x86 and has a MID profile. Oh, yeah, and it sounds like a cool idea. Sure, we need to ignore straightforward facts like, oh, I don't know, it being UNSPEAKABLY PAINFUL TO DO OS DEVELOPMENT ON ARM, and hence it being NO SURPRISE WHATSOEVER TO FIND THAT BUILDS AND RUNS ON COMPUTERS THAT ACTUALLY GO FAST AND SIT ON PEOPLE'S DESKS. Or that MID refers to the class of devices like Nokia's internet tablets or, well, any of these and not a netbook. And, leaving those, the evidence we have for this is that "It sounds like a cool idea".

It's easy to write an article on why something sounds like a good idea, and even easier to make it sound like a good business plan if you're not the one who's going to lose money on it. But yeah, maybe Google's going to push for Android on netbooks. It's going to be a kind of crowded place to be, what with Microsoft and Intel and Canonical and Xandros and half a dozen Chinese Linux distributions that you've never heard of and really hope never to again once you've seen their distributions, but it's possible. And so these guys might even be right. But the sum total of their insight here is that (a) Google have a product, and (b) Google might want to enlarge the market for that product. The rest is a collection of extraneous facts designed to make you think that they've actually done something more impressive than typing make, and frankly if that's enough to get you noticed then gentoo users the world over are missing out badly.

It's ok, though. There's worse. Google are making a secret OS, which by my count means that there's been eleventy billion people inside Google working on a fucking OS for the past TWENTY YEARS and this time we can tell not because people have, y'know, gone to Google and seen it, but because they're busy leaking information about their secret OS by removing the user agent string from a bunch of their web traffic.

Of course, as Clint points out in his article, Google's a web company and so would want to produce a web OS. The obvious way to develop this web OS would be to, uh, run it on top of Android, an OS currently entirely unsuited to desktop use due to little things like the lack of decently accelerated framebuffer drivers on any hardware you can currently obtain (rather than, say, any of the operating systems already deployed in Google, all of which share one striking feature - the ability to RUN A WEB BROWSER AT A DECENT SPEED). And even though basically everyone in Google seems to have an Android device, it'd be vital to prevent anyone from knowing that they used Android to browse the web, so scratch the user agent.

But that makes no sense. So what Clint's clearly getting at is that people using the Google web OS are browsing the web using the Google web OS, and so remove the user agent string to avoid leaking that information. That makes sense, up until you actually think about it. A web OS would run in a web browser. Why would you run a web browser in a web browser?



Google's not an OS company. They don't employ enough people to develop a full OS and releasing a Linux derivative themselves would just be a way of tarnishing their brand in a hideous manner. Any move into the home would have to be in the form of appliances with known hardware configurations, and seriously, what's the point? It's not a big enough market. If Google's going to push applications, it's going to do it through the browser. And if it's doing it through the browser, then right now it doesn't matter what the underlying OS is. There could be any number of reasons for the mystery of the missing user agent strings, but if it's because Google are trying to prevent people from working out that they're developing an entire software stack that they're going to push out onto arbitrary hardware then I have an Android netbook to sell you.

That'll be $50,000, please.

Russ Allbery: Lintian 2.1.4

Lintian 2.1.4 has just been uploaded to unstable. I'm trying to stick to a weekly schedule for releases while the pace of development justifies it, so this upload is a week after the previous upload. (We're targetting only unstable at this point and don't plan on having any of these versions release with lenny. Lintian is the sort of package for which the freeze isn't as relevant as it is for typical end-user packages.) It fixes 13 bugs and, most importantly, cleans up all the bugs that were tagged patch in the BTS. There are lots of minor changes, including a lot of new tags for random problems. The one that will catch the most people is that dh_clean -k is now deprecated in favor of dh_prep (thanks, Adam D. Barratt!). I got to spend a lot of time this week working with the new Lintian test suite and link it a great deal. I've converted some of the more targetted old test cases to the new framework and sent out a long message to the team list on things that I'd like to add to it. The complete test suite now takes a lot longer to run, since it's broken down into more separate test cases and each one is a package build, but we're making up for that by making it easier to run all test cases that apply to a specific tag. There aren't many structural changes in this release, just a lot of bug cleanup and random fixes. I think at least one more bug-fix release is needed to get the pending bugs back to where I like to have them (under 100 total), and then I have a large backlog of structural improvements that I'd like to work on. It's unclear, of course, how much time I'll have to work on that. I could happily make a full time job out of working on Lintian (well, for a few months, at least). I wish I could spend this much time working on it during the rest of the year, but I can still enjoy getting to dig into it during occasional vacations, and hopefully I'll be able to do a few things during work weeks. Many of the patches that went into this release were based on work by Raphael Geissert. Thanks to him for all of his work on Lintian.

Julian Andres Klode: python-apt: Deprecation of mixedCase names, re-organisation of apt.progress, and more


[as sent to deity@lists.debian.org] Hello, while hacking a bit on python-apt in the last days, I formulated some
proposals which I want to present to you. I have already implemented proposals I and VII, started with the implementation
of proposal II, and have partially implemented proposal III, all in
my local branch. I could implement the rest next week, and this could
result in python-apt 0.7.9~exp2 (at least this is my wish, I do not
have commit access to the python-apt repository, and this mail is not
discussed yet :) ). My local branch is not online yet, but I m working on it. It is based
off debian-sid revision 202 (which is 0.7.9~exp1). I would have also suggest to (at least partially) follow PEP 7 (C code),
but re-indenting the whole extension code is not a good idea. Before I go on, I would like to know your opinions about these proposals,
what you like and what not, your suggestions, etc, etc List of Proposals
 I   Deprecation of mixedCase naming conventions in apt module
 II  Re-organisation of the apt.progress module
 III Language updates
 IV  Unification of testing code
 V   Cleanup of the code
 VI  Using unique variable names throughout the modules
 VII Some other changes
 
I. Deprecation of mixedCase naming conventions in apt module In order to comply with PEP 8, we should start to change our names
from mixedCase to lowercasewithunderscores style. This style is
more common in the Python world, and used eg. in the Python library. I hereby propose that:
  1. a new module apt.deprecate is introduced, which provides functions
    for compatibility and a class named DeprecateMixedCase
  2. Most classes are changed to subclass DeprecateMixedCase instead of
    object.
  3. All methods, attributes and variable names are changed from the
    mixedCase style to the lowercasewithunderscores style.
  4. apt_pkg will be changed to call the new methods on progress objects,
    and fall back to the old names if methods with new names are not
    available.
How backward compatibility is implemented: The DeprecatedMixedName class provides the methods getattr()
and setattr(). These classes will forward all access to attributes
with mixedNames to the ones with lowercasewithunderscores names. In case of methods, the getattr() method returns a helper function
which fixes all keyword arguments with mixedCase names and than calls
the right function. As this only works for methods with mixedCase names, methods which have
mixedCase-named args, get the argument **kwds, and its content will be
checked for mixedCase-named arguments. [On the other side, given that
the API is marked as not stable, we could also drop that level of
compatibility.] Schedule:
  1. Implement all the changes in an experimental version of python-apt
    as soon as possible.
  2. (A) Once all packages have been adjusted to use the new names, remove
    the old ones (about 50 binary packages, and I would write the needed
    patches). This would Breaks: about 50 packages.
    or
    (B) After the release of Debian Squeeze, remove the compatibility
    functions (and the deprecate module from apt). This is the same
    as (A), but does not require Breaks on 50 packages.
Known Issues:
  1. The methods will not be available using their oldName at class
    level, only at object level. This means that some code subclassing
    apt.* classes may fail. Most code will not break, however.
II. Re-organisation of the apt.progress module The apt.progress module is not very consistent in the way classes
are named. For example, there is OpTextProgress but TextFetchProgress. Therefore, I hereby propose that:
  1. For each of the for types of progress ( Cdrom , Fetch , Install , Op ),
    a new class is introduced with the name: Abstract%sProgress % progress
  2. For each type of progress a class Text%sprogress % progress is introduced,
    which subclasses Abstract%sProgress and provides textual output
  3. For further classes, a general naming scheme is introduced, which is
    %(outputtype)s%(progresstype)sProgress [whereas (1) and (2) implement
    this naming scheme]
Schedule: Same as in proposal I. III. Language updates The apt package has been written some time ago, and has not been updated
to make use of the latest language features. Therefore, I propose that:
  1. all code using old language features is adjusted to use language
    features as of Python 2.5.
    1.1 Examples include the use of decorators, and the use
    of str methods instead of functions of the string module.
  2. The with statement will be used where appropriate, and that
    apt_pkg.*Lock() gain support for being used as context managers.
Schedule: Implement as soon as possible. IV. Unification of testing code Most modules ship test code which will be called when the module is
run as a script. Therefore, I propose that:
  1. All testing code in the apt module is removed
  2. All the tests in the tests directory of python-apt
    are converted to a unified testing suite.
  3. Testing code which has been removed as part of (1) is
    reintroduced in the relevant test module, if appropriate.
Schedule: Implement as soon as possible. V. Cleanup of the code In accordance to PEP 8, which is also named as a rule in apt/README.apt,
code will be reformatted where needed. This includes 2 lines between module-level definitions, spaces after
, , comparing to None using is instead of = , and more. Schedule: Implement as soon as possible. VI. Using unique variable names throughout the modules I hereby propose the following names:
 cache    - An apt.cache.Cache() object
 pkg      - An object returned by cache[str()] (in special cases)
 pkg      - An apt.package.Package() object
 cand     - An object returned by depcache.GetCandidateVer()
This would remove some confusion for developers, especially
if you see that apt.Package() objects are named cand in debfile,
but pkg everywhere else. Schedule: Implement as soon as possible. VII. Some other changes Here is a list of other changes I have already made in my branch:
  • Remove apt.package.Record(), it behaves exactly like the
    object it is wrapping (apt_pkg.ParseTagFile() result)
  • Move the Origin class out of the Package() class and at
    the module level.
  • If a package should be marked for upgrade, but is not upgradable
    raise an exception (which will be apt.package.NotUpgradableError)
Schedule: Implement as soon as possible. Posted in Debian

Andre Luis Lopes: Em poca de crise, mesmo blog, mas com motor recauchutado

Para n o fugir ao clich , aproveitei os feriados de final e in cio de ano para atualizar o Wordpress e fazer uma limpeza b sica no blog (troca de temas, desabilita o/habilita o de plugins, etc). Ainda estava utilizando a vers o 2.3.2 e atualizei direto para a vers o 2.7. Aparentemente, tudo foi bastante tranquilo. Demorei mais para fazer backups (como medida de precau o, n o que fosse algo estritamente necess rio) do que para concluir totalmente o processo de atualiza o. A equipe do Wordpress est de parab ns por tornar a experi ncia de atualiza o algo bastante suave, ainda mais em meu caso, com um pulo de uma vers o jur ssica diretamente para a ltima. Agora que o Wordpress est usando e abusando de conceitos Web 2.0/AJAX tudo ficou mais intutito. A interface de postagens, por exemplo, ficou bem mais amig vel em minha opini o. Outra novidade foi que o ScribeFire voltou a funcionar 100% agora, mas com as melhorias sens veis na interface de postagens provavelmente vou acabar abandonando-o. Quem sabe agora com as novas facilidades eu n o me anime a voltar a postar com maior frequ ncia ?

Martin-Éric Racine: Geode X.org driver fix for GX2/CS5535 released

After a rather hectic holiday season, I returned momentarily to pending Geode X.org driver issues. The current status: I'm especially interested in hearing from users of GX2/CS5535 hardware to see if these recent uploads finally fixed DDC probing for them or not. Just respond to relevant existing bugs or, if necessary, open new bugs to report any regression.

2 January 2009

MJ Ray: New Years Resolution: Avoid These Bad Ideas?

I m not a big new year resolution maker (new year is just a side-effect of a calendaring system), but if you are, I suggest the following resolutions to avoid three bad ideas:
  1. Change your passwords and do not set it to the ship number for the Starship Enterprise, or any other of The Top 500 Worst Passwords of All Time - if you re a sysadmin, make sure you are comparing user passwords against these sort of lists;
  2. Fight against cinema-style ratings for web-sites and the campaign against free speech [because of] a wider public interest which that implies;
  3. (Debian developers) Vote against the proposal for future GRs would need 30 other [DDs, not people - the proposal is wrong] to support because There seems little rationale to support it. The more I ve looked, the more places I ve not found evidence for such a large seconding requirement and I know a few anecdotes about raising numbers too high and accidentally killing an organisation
Happy New Year!

1 January 2009

Junichi Uekawa: 2009 starts.

2009 starts. I'm still playing with android.

Jeff Bailey: Launchpad email noise finally crushed!

Launchpad's email handling is awful. Truly awful. I left a pile of teams I was on to reduce the noise, and vaguely considered leaving the core-dev team so that I would never have to see another "merge request" come through that I couldn't possibly ever care about.

But I have solved the problem!

I remembered that my email can cope with jbailey+FOO@raspberryginger.com and still delivery it, giving me something to filter on. So effectively immediately, all mail from launchpad now skips my inbox is tagged in case I do actually need it. The only thing I need to improve this is a feature to auto-delete emails after 30 days labeled with a certain tag.

What a lovely start to 2009.

Biella Coleman: 2008

When I return to PR, my blog tends to lie fallow. Between taking care of the house, outdoor distractions (like the very overgrown garden and the very enticing beach), and most especially visiting my mother, I turn away from the computer, from my analytical mind, from writing. But since we have edged into a new year, I thought I would spend a little bit of time ruminating on 2008, which was one of the most unforgettable for me. With each passing year, it seems that 12 months bleed right into the next 12 months. But within this swirl, there are a handful of years that retain their sharp edges (1992, 1996, 2005, 2005-2006 are the most memorable). 2008 now sits among those as it is the the year that a tube was placed into my mother s stomach and soon after she was taken from the hospital into a nursing home without even the chance to say goodbye to the dog who was her steadfast companion and the house, which was her home for over 20 years. Over the last 6 years while I have not written much about my mother and her Alzheimer s, I did so fairly consistently with at least 3 entries per year, that is until March 2008 when she was put in the nursing home. Soon after being admitted, I wrote one entry and since then have not had the heart to commit much to words, something of which I am ashamed of and have sworn I would write about at least once before another years passes us by. I don t have the desire to constantly write about my experiences with her but it seems to be that Alzheimer s is erased far too often from public view and I would rather not contribute to that type of very pervasive silencing either. The recipe for my silence has been made up of various ingredients. One was I was just really really busy. Last semester was frenetic so I often did not have an ounce of room/time to think, much less blog about such a difficult situation (and I spent a lot of time going back and forth to PR as well). Another is that I was trying to avoid the heartache that arises when you focus in, with some detail, care and attention, on something that is unavoidably painful. Each time I tried, I ultimately failed and told myself, I would do so later. Finally I was blogging less and less about these types of subjects so it just seemed a little out of place every time I tried to commit something to words. For me, one of the hardest things to accept and this probably fed into my silence is that I played a part in prolonging her life when I know she wanted out (with a capital O U and T). But at the time the feeding tube was placed in her, she was walking and talking and it did not seem right to refuse her food (and I hoped that with some food, she would then start to eat on her own as she can swallow just fine) not to mention that her caretaker (a devout Catholic) and my sister would have never at the time been ready to refuse the feeding tube and I was not exactly quite ready either. Well, what we did not foresee was that 5 days in the hospital did her in and when she left, she could no longer walk, she could barely talk, and yet due to the feeding tube, she gained back the dramatic weight that she had shed over a year so that her body at least looked far more alive than it had been for years thanks to the steady stream of nutrition being slowly pumped into her body. I just know she would not want to be alive under these conditions and yet at this point, there is not much I can do legally except refuse certain classes of treatments if she gets sick (such as respirator) or wait until she becomes completely vegetative and then go through the legal hoops, that ultimately may not be successful, to remove the feeding tube. It has been so hard for so many months that as I late I have been trying to approach the whole thing with at least one dash of Zen-like detachment (by which I mean an embrace/acceptance of suffering in this world) and just spend as much time as I can with my mother, which I did a lot over the summer and I am now doing this winter. I am most probably moving back over the summer as well as my sister is not faring all that well after being with her for so many years. Even though she no longer knows my name, or who I am, I can tell she notices my presence and there are days she even seems to be happy. In fact, over the summer, she had some pretty lively days when we could manage to joke about almost nothing. Those days were rare and precious and today they don t seem to happen at all (she did seem a bit excited that it was a New Year though I could not tell if she really knew what I was saying). Over the summer, generally I would climb into her bed and we would co-nap for a couple of hours. And then the worst were the days she was hysterical and crying, and the absolutely worst was when she was crying, pleading for her parents. Those were days that did not break my heart but my soul. Thankfully those days of hysterics seem to be happen less and less and my mother just seems to sleep a lot. I sometimes like to think she is like those really old cats or dogs who seem to spend interminable hours sleeping and resting and don t seem to be suffering all that much though I can still tell she is still in a bad mood from time to time. She also has a wonderful roommate, Ana, who also pretty advanced Alzheimer s though certainly not as bad as my mom. Unlike my mother, she is happy as a clam, so much so she is always saying things like Isn t this a great day? How wonderful the day is, etc. etc, which is a nice counterbalance to my mom! I sort of like that my mom s roommate is, personality wise, the polar opposite of my mother, who is not a fundamentally unhappy soul, but she was emotionally erratic one with quite a few peaks and valleys and this is still very much the case. Having Ana around (and her family) has transformed the way I have seen this illness and my mother s condition. I am certainly not thrilled that she is alive and in fact think how we end (or don t end) life is something we as a society should be ashamed of. I clearly want to see her released, freed like a bird from the cage of this world (my mother loved loved birds I think because they symbolized freedom), but spending time with Ana, who again seems quite content, made me realize how part of the Alzheimer s experience is rooted in one s personality. My mom has always been difficult and when she was sick but still quite functional, her personality made the illness difficult for her and those around her. She never really had much luck changing her karmic personality and it sure is not going to change now. But as I said she does seem to rest a lot. I just hope her last few months, possibly years, are if nothing else peaceful and tranquil.

Biella Coleman: 2008

When I return to PR, my blog tends to lie fallow. Between taking care of the house, outdoor distractions (like the very overgrown garden and the very enticing beach), and most especially visiting my mother, I turn away from the computer, from my analytical mind, from writing. But since we have edged into a new year, I thought I would spend a little bit of time ruminating on 2008, which was one of the most unforgettable for me. With each passing year, it seems that 12 months bleed right into the next 12 months. But within this swirl, there are a handful of years that retain their sharp edges (1992, 1996, 2005, 2005-2006 are the most memorable). 2008 now sits among those as it is the the year that a tube was placed into my mother s stomach and soon after she was taken from the hospital into a nursing home without even the chance to say goodbye to the dog who was her steadfast companion and the house, which was her home for over 20 years. Over the last 6 years while I have not written much about my mother and her Alzheimer s, I did so fairly consistently with at least 3 entries per year, that is until March 2008 when she was put in the nursing home. Soon after being admitted, I wrote one entry and since then have not had the heart to commit much to words, something of which I am ashamed of and have sworn I would write about at least once before another years passes us by. I don t have the desire to constantly write about my experiences with her but it seems to be that Alzheimer s is erased far too often from public view and I would rather not contribute to that type of very pervasive silencing either. The recipe for my silence has been made up of various ingredients. One was I was just really really busy. Last semester was frenetic so I often did not have an ounce of room/time to think, much less blog about such a difficult situation (and I spent a lot of time going back and forth to PR as well). Another is that I was trying to avoid the heartache that arises when you focus in, with some detail, care and attention, on something that is unavoidably painful. Each time I tried, I ultimately failed and told myself, I would do so later. Finally I was blogging less and less about these types of subjects so it just seemed a little out of place every time I tried to commit something to words. For me, one of the hardest things to accept???and this probably fed into my silence is that I played a part in prolonging her life when I know she wanted out (with a capital O U and T). But at the time the feeding tube was placed in her, she was walking and talking and it did not seem right to refuse her food (and I hoped that with some food, she would then start to eat on her own as she can swallow just fine) not to mention that her caretaker (a devout Catholic) and my sister would have never at the time been ready to refuse the feeding tube and I was not exactly quite ready either. Well, what we did not foresee was that 5 days in the hospital did her in and when she left, she could no longer walk, she could barely talk, and yet due to the feeding tube, she gained back the dramatic weight that she had shed over a year so that her body at least looked far more alive than it had been for years thanks to the steady stream of nutrition being slowly pumped into her body. I just know she would not want to be alive under these conditions and yet at this point, there is not much I can do legally except refuse certain classes of treatments if she gets sick (such as respirator) or wait until she becomes completely vegetative and then go through the legal hoops, that ultimately may not be successful, to remove the feeding tube. It has been so hard for so many months that as I late I have been trying to approach the whole thing with at least one dash of Zen-like detachment (by which I mean an embrace/acceptance of suffering in this world) and just spend as much time as I can with my mother, which I did a lot over the summer and I am now doing this winter. I am most probably moving back over the summer as well as my sister is not faring all that well after being with her for so many years. Even though she no longer knows my name, or who I am, I can tell she notices my presence and there are days she even seems to be happy. In fact, over the summer, she had some pretty lively days when we could manage to joke about almost nothing. Those days were rare and precious and today they don t seem to happen at all (she did seem a bit excited that it was a New Year though I could not tell if she really knew what I was saying). Over the summer, generally I would climb into her bed and we would co-nap for a couple of hours. And then the worst were the days she was hysterical and crying, and the absolutely worst was when she was crying, pleading for her parents. Those were days that did not break my heart but my soul. Thankfully those days of hysterics seem to be happen less and less and my mother just seems to sleep a lot. I sometimes like to think she is like those really old cats or dogs who seem to spend interminable hours sleeping and resting and don t seem to be suffering all that much though I can still tell she is still in a bad mood from time to time. She also has a wonderful roommate, Ana, who also pretty advanced Alzheimer s though certainly not as bad as my mom. Unlike my mother, she is happy as a clam, so much so she is always saying things like ???Isn t this a great day???? ???How wonderful the day is,??? etc. etc, which is a nice counterbalance to my mom! I sort of like that my mom s roommate is, personality wise, the polar opposite of my mother, who is not a fundamentally unhappy soul, but she was emotionally erratic one with quite a few peaks and valleys and this is still very much the case. Having Ana around (and her family) has transformed the way I have seen this illness and my mother s condition. I am certainly not thrilled that she is alive and in fact think how we end (or don t end) life is something we as a society should be ashamed of. I clearly want to see her released, freed like a bird from the cage of this world (my mother loved loved birds I think because they symbolized freedom), but spending time with Ana, who again seems quite content, made me realize how part of the Alzheimer s experience is rooted in one s personality. My mom has always been difficult and when she was sick but still quite functional, her personality made the illness difficult for her and those around her. She never really had much luck changing her karmic personality and it sure is not going to change now. But as I said she does seem to rest a lot. I just hope her last few months, possibly years, are if nothing else peaceful and tranquil.

31 December 2008

Andrew Pollock: [tech] On unlocking a Vonage-provided Linksys RTP300

Well that was a bit of process. The best set of instructions I found were here. I think a lot of the other instructions I found assumed you were at firmware version 1.00.62. The CYT unlocker program seems to only work with this firmware version. The CYT unlocker program is a Windows console-mode program. It seems to run under Wine, but I switched to Windows before I realised that possibly my problems running it under Wine were related to the firmware version on the RTP300 and not a problem talking to the network. All of the remaining steps on the above page could have been performed on Linux. In fact, the CYT unlocker program merely makes a HTTP POST to a specific URL (and I think it could just as easily be an HTTP GET) and then starts up a webserver on port 2400 to hand an XML blob of provisioning information when the RTP300 requests it as a result of the HTTP POST. A Linux version would be easy to implement. In all of the futzing around, I noticed this gem in the HTML source of the web interface:
*********************************************************
*   Copyright 2005, CyberTAN  Inc.  All Rights Reserved *
*********************************************************
This is UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE of CyberTAN Inc.
the contents of this file may not be disclosed to third parties,
copied or duplicated in any form without the prior written
permission of CyberTAN Inc.
This software should be used as a reference only, and it not
intended for production use!
Now that I've unlocked it, I guess I should try and make it talk to my Asterisk box...

Joachim Breitner: Handling explicit and implicit recusion in Haskell data

For a while I have been pondering over a problem that arises when your functionally written program has some state with cross references for example a list of users, each of which uses a number of computers, and a list of computers, each having an owner. Implicit referencing For doing queries on such data, it would be convenient if every reference is just the referenced object itself. Although we would visualize this as a graph, semantically, it is more like an infinite tree. This is possible in Haskell, due to laziness, and if you create the data structure cleverly, it even uses constant memory, no matter how deep you enter this infinite tree (a recent post of mine talks about this). A possible data definition would be:
data User = User  
userName :: String,
uses :: [Computer]

data Computer = Computer
computerName :: String,
owner :: User -- references the Users

data State = State [User] [Computer]

testState = let user = User "Conrad" [computer]
computer = Computer "Z3" user
in State [user] [computer]
Explicit referencing But such a representation is very unsuitable for updates (at least I can t think if a nice way of updating such a graph without breaking the internal cross-references) and serialization, which is a must for a HAppS based application. So what one would probably start with is this data structure:
data User = User  
userId :: Int,
userName :: String,
uses :: [Int] -- references the Computers

data Computer = Computer
computerId :: Int,
computerName :: String,
owner :: Int -- references the Users

data State = State [User] [Computer]

testState = State
[User 0 "Conrad" [1]]
[Computer 1 "Z3" 0]
I think the semantics of this are clear. Note that the referencing is currently not type-safe, but this can be provided by phantom types. Maybe I ll write more about that later. Now imaging you want to display the information about the first computer with your web application. You extract the information with let State _ cs = testState in head cs and pass that to your templating engine. But what if your template wants to display the name of the owner? It only has access to his userId. You would either need to know what information the template will ever need, extract that from the state beforehand and pass it along, or give the template access to the whole state. In that case, though, there has to be lookup-logic in your output code, which is also not nice. Woudln t it be nice if you could, in your application logic, work with the explicit references, which are easy to modify and store, but somehow turn that into the implicit referencing? Duplicated representation One way would be to have two unrelated sets of data structures, ExplicitState, ExplicitUser, ExplicitComputer, which use explicit identifiers to reference each other, and ImplicitState,... which are defined as the first representation of our state. It is then mostly trivial to write a function that converts ExplicitState to ImplicitState. The big disadvantage of this is that you have to maintain these two different hierarchies. It also means that every function on the state has to be defined twice, which often almost identical code. Clearly, this is not desirable. Annotated representation It would be more elegant if the state is stored in one data type that, controlled by a type parameter, comes in the one or the other representation. To do that, we need two types: One that contains a value, and one that contains just a reference:
newtype Id v = Id v deriving (Show, Typeable, Data)
newtype Ref v = Ref Int deriving (Show, Typeable, Data)
Then we need to adjust our data definitions, to make use of these. (I ll leave out the names, to keep the code smaller)
data User ref = User  
userId :: Int,
uses :: [ref (Computer ref)]

data Computer ref = Computer
computerId :: Int,
owner :: ref (User ref)

data State ref = State [User ref] [Computer ref]
Here we introduce a type parameter ref , which will later be either Id or Ref. Note that now a reference also states the object it is a reference for, which greatly increases type safety. Functions on these data types that don t work with the references will be polymorphic in the ref type parameter, so only need to be written once. A User Id is a complete user with all related data, while User Ref is a user with only references. And a Ref (User Ref) is reference to a user, which contains references... Not so kind kinds Did you notice the lack of a deriving clause? Our data structures have the relatively peculiar kind ((* -> *) -> *), which makes it hard for the compiler to derive instances for things like Show. But we already know that we will only use Id or Ref for the type variable, so we can use ghc s StandaloneDeriving language extension and have these instances created:
deriving instance Show (User Id)
deriving instance Show (User Ref)
deriving instance Show (Computer Id)
deriving instance Show (Computer Ref)
deriving instance Show (State Id)
deriving instance Show (State Ref)
Toggling a type parameter The next step is to write the conversion function. It will have type
unrefState :: State Ref -> State Id
For that, and for later, we need lookup functions:
unrefUserRef :: State Id -> Ref (User Ref) -> Id (User Id)
unrefUserRef (State l _) (Ref i) = Id $ fromJust $
find (\u@(User i' _) -> i == i') l
unrefComputerRef :: State Id -> Ref (Computer Ref) -> Id (Computer Id)
unrefComputerRef (State _ l) (Ref i) = Id $ fromJust $
find (\u@(Computer i' _) -> i == i') l
These expect a State (with implicit referencing) and a reference, and look up this reference. The function unrefState then looks like this:
unrefState :: State Ref -> State Id
unrefState (State us cs) =
let unrefState = State (map (unrefUser unrefState) us)
(map (unrefComp unrefState) cs)
in unrefState
where unrefUser :: State Id -> User Ref -> User Id
unrefUser s (User i refs) = User i (map (unrefComputerRef s) refs)

unrefComp :: State Id -> Computer Ref -> Computer Id
unrefComp s (Computer i ref) = Computer i (unrefUserRef s ref)
Note how we tie the knot in the let expression. This is the trick that ensures constant memory consumption, because every reference points back to the same place in memory. Satisfied already? So what do we have? We have no duplication of data types, we can write general functions, and we can resolve the explicit referencing. We can also easily write functions like unrefUser :: State Ref -> User Ref -> User Id, which transform just a part of the state. But writing unrefState is very tedious when the State becomes more complex. Each of the other unrefSomething functions are very similar, but need to be written anyways. This is unsatisfactory. What we want, is a generic function, something like
gunref :: State Ref -> a Ref -> a Id
which, given a state with explicit references, replaces all explicit references in the first argument (which could be State Ref or User Ref or anything like that) with implicit ones. This function can not exist, because we would not know anything about a and b. But maybe we can do this:
gunref :: (Data (a Id), Data (a Ref)) =>  State Ref -> a Ref -> a Id
Typeable and Data Before being able to do so, we need to derive Data for our types. We can start with
deriving instance Data (User Id)
deriving instance Data (User Ref)
deriving instance Data (Computer Id)
deriving instance Data (Computer Ref)
deriving instance Data (State Id)
deriving instance Data (State Ref
but that will complain about missing Typeable instances. Unfortunately, ghc s deriver for Typeable (even the stand-alone-one), does not handle our peculiar kind, so we need to do it by hand. With some help from quicksilver on #haskell, I got it to work:
instance Typeable1 ref => Typeable (User ref) where
typeOf _ = mkTyConApp (mkTyCon "User") [typeOf1 (undefined :: ref ())]
instance Typeable1 ref => Typeable (Computer ref) where
typeOf _ = mkTyConApp (mkTyCon "Computer") [typeOf1 (undefined :: ref ())]
instance Typeable1 ref => Typeable (State ref) where
typeOf _ = mkTyConApp (mkTyCon "State") [typeOf1 (undefined :: ref ())]
everywhere is not enough Turning to the documentation of Data.Generics, I notice with some disappointment that there is no function that is able to change a type they all seem to replace a value by another value of the same type. But the functions gfoldl and gunfold sounded like they could be used for this. Warning: What comes now is a very non-haskellish hack that subverts the type system, just to get the job done. Please read it with a healthy portion of distrust. If you know of a cleaner way of doing that, please tell me! Wrapped Data I want to do some heavy type hackery, so I need to disable haskell s type system. There is Data.Dynamic, but not even that is enough, as we need to carry a type s Data instance around as well. So let s wrap that up:
data AData where AData :: Data a => a -> AData
instance Show AData where show (AData a) = "<" ++ show (typeOf a) ++ ">"

fromADataE :: forall b. Data b => AData -> b
fromADataE (AData d) = case cast d of
Just v -> v
Nothing -> error $ "Type error, trying to convert " ++
show (typeOf d) ++ " to " ++
show (typeOf (undefined :: b)) ++ "."
There is also a function that converts an AData back to a normal type, if possible. If it s not possible, then there is a bug in our code, so we give an informative error message. AData transformers Similar to everywhere, we want to have transformers that combinable. They need to have the change to convert an arbitrary value, but also signal that they could not convert something (and this something has to be recursed into). I came up with this:
type ADataT = AData -> Maybe AData

extADT :: forall a b. (Data a, Data b) => ADataT -> (a -> b) -> ADataT
extADT at t a@(AData v) = case cast v of
Just x -> Just (AData (t x))
Nothing -> at a

doNothing :: ADataT
doNothing = const Nothing
ADataT is the type for such a transformer. doNothing will not transform anything, and extADT can be used to add any function to the list of tried transformers, in the spirit of extT. The ugly part To apply such a transformer, I want to use this function, which I ll describe in the code comments:
everywhereADT :: forall a b. (Data a, Data b) => ADataT -> a -> b

-- first check if we can transform this value already
everywhereADT f v = case f (AData v) of
-- if so, coerce it to the users requested type, which hopefully goes well
Just r -> fromADataE r
-- if not, we need to recurse into the data structure
Nothing -> recursed

-- for that, we first need to figure out the arguments to the
-- constructor. We store them in the untyped list
where args :: [AData]
(Const args) = gfoldl k z v
-- gfoldl lets us have a look at each argument. We wrap it in AData
-- and append it to the list
k (Const args) arg = Const (AData arg : args)
z start = Const []

-- We need the data constructor of the input data type. If the user did not want
-- it to be transformed, it will be the same
c = toConstr v

-- To give better error messages, we make sure that the outmost type constructor
-- of the requested type actually has the data constructor we were given. Otherwise
-- gunfold will complain in a non-helpful way
input_type = dataTypeRep (constrType c)
output_type = dataTypeRep (dataTypeOf (undefined :: b))

recursed = if input_type /= output_type
then error $ "Can not convert <" ++ show input_type ++ ">"++
" to <" ++ show output_type ++ ">."
-- the types match, so we assemble the output type, using gunfold
else snd (gunfold k' z' c)
k' :: forall b r . Data b => ([AData], b -> r) -> ([AData],r)

-- we start by reversing the input list
z' start = (reverse args,start)

-- then we call us recursively on the argument and feed the result
-- to the output constructor
k' ((AData a) : args, append) = (args, append (everywhereADT f a))

-- Used for folding (we don t need to retain the original constructor)
data Const a b = Const a
What a beast! But surprisingly, it works. Here are some examples. Note that I always have to specify the requested output type:
bool2Int :: Bool -> Int
bool2Int False = 0
bool2Int True = 1

*Main> everywhereADT (doNothing extADT bool2Int) True :: Int
1
*Main> everywhereADT (doNothing extADT bool2Int) True :: ()
*** Exception: Type error, trying to convert Int to ().
*Main> everywhereADT (doNothing extADT bool2Int) (True,False) :: (Int,Int)
(1,0)
*Main> everywhereADT (doNothing extADT bool2Int) ([True,False],True,()) :: ([Int],Int,())
([1,0],1,())
*Main> everywhereADT (doNothing extADT bool2Int) ([True,False],True,()) :: [()]
*** Exception: Can not convert to .
*Main> everywhereADT (doNothing extADT bool2Int) [True] :: [Bool]
[*** Exception: Type error, trying to convert Int to Bool.
I hope this code does not inflict too much pain on any Haskell-loving reader. I know I violated the language, but I didn t know how to do it better (at least not without using Template Haskell). I also know that this is not very good performance wide: Every single value in the input will be deconstructed, type-compared several times and re-assembled. If that is an issue, then this function should only be used for prototyping. Almost done To apply this to our state, we only need to glue it to our lookup functions from above:
gunref :: (Data (a Id), Data (a Ref)) =>  State Ref -> a Ref -> a Id
gunref s w = let unrefState = gunref' unrefState s
in gunref' unrefState w

gunref' :: (Data (a Id), Data (a Ref)) => State Id -> a Ref -> a Id
gunref' unrefState = everywhereADT unref'
where unref' = doNothing extADT
unrefUserRef unrefState extADT
unrefComputerRef unrefState
Now we have a generic unreferencer. I set the type a bit more specific than necessary, to make it safe to use (under the assumption that the list of lookup functions is complete and will not leave any Ref in the output).
*Main> testState 
State [User userId = 0, uses = [Ref 1] ] [Computer computerId = 1, owner = Ref 0 ]
*Main> gunref testState testState
State [User userId = 0, uses = [Id (Computer computerId = 1, owner = Id (User userId = 0,
uses = [Id (Computer computerId = 1, owner = Id (User userId = 0, uses = ..
Oh, and by the way, if you want to test this code, you ll need at least:
 -# LANGUAGE DeriveDataTypeable, FlexibleInstances, GADTs,
FlexibleContexts, StandaloneDeriving, ScopedTypeVariables #-

Fabio Tranchitella: year.stop(); year = Year(2009); year.start();

A few hours and this year will be over. Instead of making a summary of 2008, I feel the need to list a few of my goals for 2009:

This list is not exhaustive, but writing down these items helps me. After a so-so 2008, I'm looking forward for a new exciting year: I feel very motivated and I'm sure that 2009 will be positive and rich of satisfactions.

Happy New Year to everybody, may the Force be with you.

Neil Williams: OpenID.com https FAIL

*.myopenid.com - page security information.
Equifax Secure Global eBusiness CA-1
PKCS #1 MD5 With RSA Encryption

Same for https://www.myopenid.com/signin_password and the same for the myOpenID.com SSL certificates that you actually use with myOpenID.com - all now known to be vulnerable to spoofing. I don't think I'll be using those any more.

SSL spoofing via MD5 certification

CA's using only MD5 to sign the certificate

Oops.

It depends on how you use OpenID I suppose, but if known weak certificates are removed from browsers in order to protect users from possible SSL spoofing, current myOpenID.com certificates will simply stop working.

Not really a surprise considering how Canonical came to exist but, Launchpad OpenID has got it right. Launchpad itself doesn't use a CA that relies solely on the weak MD5. Maybe I'll start using the Launchpad OpenID instead. (Launchpad OpenID still works with the Alioth OpenID support). However, it would be nice if the Launchpad OpenID could provide SSL certificates for users to import into browsers and then I could log into various sites directly. I did like that functionality with myopenid.com but those certificates have had to be revoked now.

Gold stars for Ubuntu and the Alioth admins. A pile of stinky brown stuff for the myopenid.com team.

Update:
Maybe it's time for Alioth to support OpenID more fully? Or there again, maybe not. After a little reading up on the multiple failings of openid in general, I'm going to leave openid as it is (mostly disabled in my case) and use it only for stuff that really doesn't matter much. Using openid for important stuff just doesn't make any sense.

30 December 2008

Andrew McMillan: Off to Tasmania

Tomorrow will be a challenging day, herding the kids through the airports to get to Hobart for a holiday in Tasmania before linux.conf.au 2009 in a couple more weeks. Sadly I didn't get the DAViCal release out over Christmas that I'd hoped for, and realistically I should face up to the fact that I won't have much chance to push it out until I get back... Still, it might happen, so don't lose hope! And if you're desperate the current Git head is pretty safe too - so long as you use the head for AWL as well. I'll only have sporadic net access (until LCA anyway), and my cellphone won't reach me at all, so I guess the world will have to get along without me for a few weeks :-) Have a Happy New Year - we won't be partying tonight, with a 4:00am start in the morning!

David Welton: Rant: Ubuntu, Google, J2ME

Long day, lots of broken stuff. Rant time:
  • Ubuntu's Intrepid Ibex has way too many regressions. I've mentioned this before talking about wireless, but also on the sidelines are bluetooth and my laptop's multimedia keys. Other things are probably slipping my mind, but that's what's bugging me today. I've use Linux for a while, and am used to not always having everything working just right, but "it's never worked" is less annoying than "it used to work but this release broke it". Also, I bought this computer from Dell because it shipped with Ubuntu. I would have expected the Ubuntu guys to have a few around themselves to test on prior to release.
  • J2ME marketing: http://blogs.sun.com/hinkmond/entry/getjar_3rd_annual_mobile_awards GetJar is a nice service, and I put my own ShopList app there, but you can't seriously compare it to the Apple or Android stores without insulting my intelligence. What percentage of people with J2ME capable phones actually use GetJar? Is it on their phone when they turn it on? Can developers actually sell stuff there?
  • Google has started dumping lots of my mail in the spam folder since I switched the domain over to a new server. I can't believe they're dumping so much non spam mail, and yet can't figure out that I have never, not once, received an email written in Chinese characters that I actually wanted to read.
Add in some bugs and broken stuff of my own, and it's made for a frustrating day.

David Welton: Rant: Ubuntu, Google, J2ME

Long day, lots of broken stuff. Rant time:
  • Ubuntu's Intrepid Ibex has way too many regressions. I've mentioned this before talking about wireless, but also on the sidelines are bluetooth and my laptop's multimedia keys. Other things are probably slipping my mind, but that's what's bugging me today. I've use Linux for a while, and am used to not always having everything working just right, but "it's never worked" is less annoying than "it used to work but this release broke it". Also, I bought this computer from Dell because it shipped with Ubuntu. I would have expected the Ubuntu guys to have a few around themselves to test on prior to release.
  • J2ME marketing: http://blogs.sun.com/hinkmond/entry/getjar_3rd_annual_mobile_awards GetJar is a nice service, and I put my own ShopList app there, but you can't seriously compare it to the Apple or Android stores without insulting my intelligence. What percentage of people with J2ME capable phones actually use GetJar? Is it on their phone when they turn it on? Can developers actually sell stuff there?
  • Google has started dumping lots of my mail in the spam folder since I switched the domain over to a new server. I can't believe they're dumping so much non spam mail, and yet can't figure out that I have never, not once, received an email written in Chinese characters that I actually wanted to read.
Add in some bugs and broken stuff of my own, and it's made for a frustrating day.

Julien Danjou: Rants about Lua

I've started using Lua some months ago, while looking for a more powerful way to configure awesome. At this time, around March 2008, Lua seemed to be the best language to integrate inside the core system of awesome. I still think that Lua was a good choice, but after 8 months, it shows some important drawbacks. I'll try to keep my explanation simple and to make you understand everything, even if you do not know Lua. I refer here to Lua 5.1 Design flaws Length operator Lua has a length operator on its objects, known as #. It can be used to get the size of various objects.
return #"lol" 3
This operator works for table, string, etc It's possible to define this operator by setting a __len meta-method on a userdata value. The problem is that you cannot redefine it on string or table objects, see:
> a =   "hello", "world"  
> return #a
2
> setmetatable(a,   __len = function () return 18 end  )
> return #a
2
Indeed, looking at the Lua core code:
     case OP_LEN:   
       const TValue *rb = RB(i); 
       switch (ttype(rb))   
         case LUA_TTABLE:   
           setnvalue(ra, cast_num(luaH_getn(hvalue(rb)))); 
           break; 
             
         case LUA_TSTRING:   
           setnvalue(ra, cast_num(tsvalue(rb)->len)); 
           break; 
             
         default:    /* try metamethod */ 
           Protect( 
             if (!call_binTM(L, rb, luaO_nilobject, ra, TM_LEN)) 
               luaG_typeerror(L, rb, "get length of"); 
           )   
             
           
       continue; 
      
You clearly see that tables and strings always use the internal length operator, never the __len meta-method. That's for me a design problem, which will cause more trouble. We'll see later. __index and __newindex metamethods Lua defines two useful metamethods, which are __index and __newindex. Both can be set on a table or any other object. __index will be called upon each read access to an undefined key on an object, and __newindex upon each write access. Example
> a =  
> setmetatable(a,   __index = myindexfunction, __newindex = mynewindexfunction  ) -- function are not defined, this is just an example
> a[1] = "hello" -- This will call __newindex metamethod
> return a[2] -- This will call __index metamethods
> return a[1] -- This will NOT call __index
The last line does not call __index meta-method because a[1] does exists. This is a problem when you want to use table as object, because sometimes you want to monitor access to the table elements. This can be easily worked around using a proxy system: you don't store things in the table you manipulate, but in another table.
> a =  
> realtable =  
> setmetatable(a,   __index = myindexfunction, __newindex = mynewindexfunction  ) -- function are not defined, this is just an example
Where meta-methods are something like:
function myindexfunction(table, key)
   return realtable[key]
end
function mynewindexfunction(table, key, value)
   realtable[key] = value
end
This way, our a table will always be empty, and realtable will have the data. At every read or write access to a, the meta-methods will be called. This is very convenient and widely used hack. But this has serious drawbacks: as we saw before, the length operator (#) cannot be redefined on a table. That means #a will always be 0, and you cannot get the table length anymore, except by defining another method or a special attribute. Also, Lua has several functions in the table library that are used to manipulate table in a easy way. The problem is that standard functions like table.insert or table.remove do raw accesses to the table. Meaning that if you do table.insert(a, 1, 1) it will insert the value 1 at the key 1 into a, without calling the __newindex meta-methods, breaking all your beautiful object-oriented model. Another solution is to use a userdata object, like done in the Lua newproxy function (which is under-documented). The problem is that it breaks all the other functions that are waiting for a table as argument, because they see a userdata, not a table. So this time table.insert is now more usable, which somehow fixes the problem, but not in the right way IMHO. However, this allows to use the __len meta-method. Development model The development model of Lua is, from my point of view, non-existent. There is no public version control system repository available, so there's no chance to really contribute to Lua. It seems only a defined set of people work on it and therefore, the development system is very closed to my eyes, in comparison of usual projects. Conclusion I still think Lua is a good choice, because it is very easy to integrate into any C program, and to expand to fulfill your needs. However, some bad design choices were made, and the poor and closed development model chosen does not allow to have a good overview of the future of Lua. This has been well stated by the authors themselves.

29 December 2008

John Goerzen: A Day with Jacob

Old train! Smoke inside. That s what Jacob said today when he saw an old steam locomotive at the old Union Station in Wichita, KS. Never mind that it s been sitting there for decades he s got that concept of smoke coming out of steam engines down, and apparently realizes that for smoke to come out of them, it must start out inside them. But I don t think I ve ever heard anyone talk about a steam engine in a more cute way. Two is a fun age. Today I needed to return a power supply to Circuit City, so Jacob and I made a day of it. He came with me to town (yes, us country folk go to town ). We returned the power supply, then ate lunch at a Mexican place. Jacob would call it a chips and salsa place. Today he drank from a straw for the first time, and loved it so much that I think he got more liquid than food in him over lunch. Oh well. After that, we went to the eye cream (ice cream) store - Cold Stone Creamery. Whenever Jacob hears talk of Wichita, he comments with something like Go ichita. Eat eye cream. Go town. Jacob ate his entire kid-sized chocolate ice cream with sprinkles. He loves sprinkles. While we were eating ice cream, I asked him, After you are done, would you like to see skyscrapers or trains? NO! Eat eye cream! I don t think he quite got the after bit, so I asked him again in the car after we were done eating. His eyes lit up. SEE KYCRAPER!! So we drove to downtown Wichita and saw the skyscrapers. (Yes, I am aware that other cities have much taller buildings. It doesn t matter when you re 2.) We got out of the car and he got to touch a few of them. In fact, the only way I got him back into the car without a meltdown was by pointing out the train crossing above the road on a bridge, and the fact that he d still be able to see it from in the car. That, of course, led to us needing to see trains. I drove him up the ramp to be trackside by the old Wichita Union Station. There weren t any trains going past right then, but he did get to see the locomotives at the Great Plains Transportation Museum through the fence. We started to head home, but he really wanted to see the train again. So we stopped at the park in Newton to see the old ATSF locomotive there. By that point, it was waaaay past naptime and we narrowly averted a fit when I informed him that no, we could not go inside the adjacent grain elevators. So all told, I think Jacob had a fun day with his dad. Now, in case there is any doubt out there about what kind of child Jacob is, I should point out the things he notices in church lately. First off, when we get into the sanctuary, we sit in the back. But first thing he said lately when we walked in was TWO THERMOSTATS! Yes, he saw two thermostats at opposite ends of the room up front, pointed right at them, and was very excited. He also notices the organ speakers ( oran peaker ), big cross , ceiling fans, and now furnace vents . Yes, furnace vents. At the Christmas Eve service, there was a candlelight part. He loved it. Daddy hold fire! A few people nearby smiled. While we sang Silent Night, he really wanted to blow out the candle. When it was time, I said OK Jacob, now you can blow it out. A very excited Fffffffffffffffff followed, and several people nearby were chuckling by then. I also let Jacob put the candle in the box on our way out. He said, I put fire in box. I did it!

Wouter Verhelst: Why GNOME sucks

A recent post by Adrian von Bidder got me to reread the "Printing dialogs and GNOME" thread that Linus started on the GNOME mailinglists a few years ago. I don't know how or why I missed it back then, but I did see this little gem in a post by Mike Shaver:
You and I are not interesting GNOME users, in part because we already _are_ GNOME users. The interesting GNOME users are the ones that haven't tried it yet, and we need to figure out why they haven't. There are lots of things that I want in GNOME, but if they aren't going to bring a hundred thousand of my closest friends along as well, I would hope that nobody goes out of their way to do them.
That is precisely what is wrong with the GNOME people. While encouraging new users to try and use GNOME certainly is a good and worthy goal, it is this mentality of 'only the new users matter, the existing ones can go f*ck themselves' which will ultimately drive away users. Of course this post is a few years old, and I'm not involved in GNOME development in any way, so this mentality might have gone away now; but I don't hold my breath.

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